What is the difference between this and the gold version?

[Celestines]

Is the gold version a remaster or has additional content or is it a sequal to this game?
Don't wanna buy this version if later this month a remaster or something like that is released.

[Experimantal]

Gold version is like an alternate universe: new story, new character interactions, and it being a newer game, has more QoL features and content

You can enjoy both independantly, though i suppose it'd be harder to go from gold to base game as you'd end up lacking some QoL features.

There might also be references to the first game in gold, so might be worth your time to take the first one, it is cheap right now too!

[Firehawk]

Gold edition is bad. It screams quantity over quality. Unlike the original version where you had a "plot" to follow even with the somewhat free gameplay, Gold is basically a sandbox where you can basically do whatever you want with none of the "mission"s having any meaningful impact. One example is how Arthur joins which is a major event with an incredible feel in the first game, but she simply becomes part of the group in this game. Like WTF. Way to kill a character.

Soundtrack is also horrendous, they managed to completely destroy the tracks from the first game which begs the question why did they even bother with it.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

Gold has more QoL features and content

This is such a bad joke, I don't even want to pretend I agree with any of this.

[Experimantal]

Originally posted by Firehawk:

Gold edition is bad. It screams quantity over quality. Unlike the original version where you had a "plot" to follow even with the somewhat free gameplay, Gold is basically a sandbox where you can basically do whatever you want with none of the "mission"s having any meaningful impact. One example is how Arthur joins which is a major event with an incredible feel in the first game, but she simply becomes part of the group in this game. Like WTF. Way to kill a character.

Soundtrack is also horrendous, they managed to completely destroy the tracks from the first game which begs the question why did they even bother with it.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

Gold has more QoL features and content

This is such a bad joke, I don't even want to pretend I agree with any of this.

Hopefully you're trolling, because Gold has a whole different story than first game, that is why it feel different, it also indeed has more QoL than the first game, and adds many scenes that people wanted in the first game but didn't exist.

Gold also adds more difficulty choices (1 only had normal and hard (once you go NG+))

Gold also adds more character with their own quests and events to flesh them out.

Having played both, Gold is definitely the superior version, and most agree on that, but the first is still enjoyable on its own, since the story is totally different.

[Firehawk]

Originally posted by Experimantal:

Hopefully you're trolling, because Gold has a whole different story than first game, that is why it feel different, it also indeed has more QoL than the first game, and adds many scenes that people wanted in the first game but didn't exist.

-Makes generic claims
-Doesn't give concrete examples or sources
-Expects me to just accept his opinion at face value
-Acts like those 3 minutes long scenes could actually "flesh out" the characters of which there's at least 50.
-And still calls me a troll. Uh-huh, try again ignorant guy.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

Having played both, Gold is definitely the superior version

No, it's not.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

and most agree on that

Who is this "most"? Care to give me a list of names with source? Or at least a reputable source of information that factually confirms that most of the buyers liked Gold more? Because if not, I'm calling bull.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

but the first is still enjoyable on its own, since the story is totally different.

More like Gold is enjoyable if you didn't play the original, but it instantly becomes a shallow remake if you did.

[Experimantal]

Originally posted by Firehawk:

Originally posted by Experimantal:

Hopefully you're trolling, because Gold has a whole different story than first game, that is why it feel different, it also indeed has more QoL than the first game, and adds many scenes that people wanted in the first game but didn't exist.

-Makes generic claims
-Doesn't give concrete examples or sources
-Expects me to just accept his opinion at face value
-Acts like those 3 minutes long scenes could actually "flesh out" the characters of which there's at least 50.
-And still calls me a troll. Uh-huh, try again ignorant guy.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

Having played both, Gold is definitely the superior version

No, it's not.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

and most agree on that

Who is this "most"? Care to give me a list of names with source? Or at least a reputable source of information that factually confirms that most of the buyers liked Gold more? Because if not, I'm calling bull.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

but the first is still enjoyable on its own, since the story is totally different.

More like Gold is enjoyable if you didn't play the original, but it instantly becomes a shallow remake if you did.

Alright here are some examples of improvements:

This sequel adds many major improvements.

Firstly, skills can inflict ton of new different effects : change enemy's position, give ally powerful status effects, ...

Secondly, in addition to new characters, the entire casts have been rebalanced so that every character fills a worthwhile role in battle. There is also now a shop for buying or selling items, alongside a fusion blacksmith that allows player to combine various items into more powerful ones. Over multiple playthroughs, it's possible to acquire over 150 unique items (over 220 with duplicates)

Finally, the game has achievements that unlock gradually as story progress, giving player points that can subsequently be spent on new game plus bonuses, greatly boosting replayability.

The game also develops each character more with additional event and dialogues, and changes the story and personality of himiko so that she is less central so that the other characters may shine

You speak of 3 minute scenes, I start to doubt you played the game, or read dialogues, because the heroes got minimum 4 quest event with dialogues, interaction, making you learn about them and their personality, some you may prefer to others, but they're here. What Gold did was add even more of those events.

For Gold being more liked, you can check VNDB rating (spoiler, Gold has a higher one) or forums, people praise it for being an improvement to the first game.

Gold also adds more skills in term of transphormation, for example, tutankhamun now having the sarcophagus and out of sarcophagus form.

The story is totally different too, and here it hit or miss and personnal opinion, some prefer the new story, others prefer the old, those that like the new story is because they hated how much himiko was too central and annoying

[Firehawk]

Originally posted by Experimantal:

Alright here are some examples of improvements:

This sequel adds many major improvements.

Firstly, skills can inflict ton of new different effects : change enemy's position, give ally powerful status effects, ...

That's something you'd find in an expansion pack or DLC, that adds new gameplay elements to an existing product but definitely not an entirely different game at full price. That'd be, you know, ripping people off by devaluing the original product to make them buy the new one.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

Secondly, in addition to new characters, the entire casts have been rebalanced so that every character fills a worthwhile role in battle.

If I had a LMAO emoticon, I'd be using it here right about now. Every character? Worthwhile? :DDDDD It's still perfectly possible to rely on nothing but the starting classes, namely sword and guns because fights always come down to who has the bigger army in the end, especially if you try to conquer Russia before the EU. I NEVER use melee units with the exception of Achilles because they are a waste of space good only for soaking up enemy fire, if that.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

There is also now a shop for buying or selling items, alongside a fusion blacksmith that allows player to combine various items into more powerful ones. Over multiple playthroughs, it's possible to acquire over 150 unique items (over 220 with duplicates)

Every heard of quantity over quality?

Originally posted by Experimantal:

Finally, the game has achievements that unlock gradually as story progress, giving player points that can subsequently be spent on new game plus bonuses, greatly boosting replayability.

The fact that you need achievements for boosting replayability is the clearest proof that Gold has a shallow "story". After all, if it wasn't then it wouldn't need artificially inserted GAMEPLAY extras that have no bearing on the plot whatsoever. You just don't want to admit it, isn't that right?

Originally posted by Experimantal:

The game also develops each character more with additional event and dialogues, and changes the story and personality of himiko so that she is less central so that the other characters may shine

Once again, quantity over quality. A skit, because they aren't even long enough to be called character events is only a few minutes long at best and even shorter if you're a quick reader.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

You speak of 3 minute scenes, I start to doubt you played the game, or read dialogues, because the heroes got minimum 4 quest event with dialogues, interaction, making you learn about them and their personality, some you may prefer to others, but they're here. What Gold did was add even more of those events.

How about you stop projecting your biased opinion onto others and start considering the possibility that those skits are indeed short and not everybody reads at your pace instead? Moreover, the number of skits has nothing to do with their length, so nice strawman argument you pulled there (I'm not even gonna bother pointing out that the very notion that you can "flesh out" 50+ characters in a varying number of short skits is ludicrous would be a massive understatement).

Originally posted by Experimantal:

For Gold being more liked, you can check VNDB rating (spoiler, Gold has a higher one) or forums, people praise it for being an improvement to the first game.

You conveniently forget the fact that Gold has 461 votes against the original's 1549 which is over triple the number Gold has, meaning the first game has a much larger sample with a minimal difference in reception. Since said difference is spread out between more people, if I'd narrow the sample size for it then you'd see the original is just as, if not more popular. Maybe you should study statistics a little more, because you clearly fail at it.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

The story is totally different too, and here it hit or miss and personnal opinion, some prefer the new story, others prefer the old, those that like the new story is because they hated how much himiko was too central and annoying

I thought you said Gold was definitely superior? Now it's a hit or miss? Something is amiss!

[Experimantal]

At this point I start truly to feel like all you seek is to be negative and flaming.

If there was JUST new skills and effect, sure, a DLC would have fitted, but they added more to the point it is a whole new game in the same world: new story, more characters, same quality but in more quantity.

And yes, in Gold, characters were rebalanced meaning you can use characters that were completely useless in the first game, making sword and gun not the only option anymore, especially if you aim to go far in the new endless dungeon in Gold, or finish the 50 floor pagoda. In the first Eiyu Senki, yeah, some characters are completely useless, thank god they changed that in Gold, QoL am I right?

So you say that the shop, which is a giant QoL, is "quantity over quality"? That's a major QoL especially since it add new items and fusion, allowing new builds.

Achievement boosting replayability is a good thing, means that, once you beat the game, you got reasons to replay it. The first game, once done, is done, you can close it and never return because there is no replayability unless you wanna try hard mode.

The skits are of the same quality overhaul to the first Eiyu Senki, so at this point, more of them is good, and isn't simply "quantity over quality". And these skits are enough to help know the character, their personality, their personal lives, and have a good time (Yoshitsune padding quest had me in tears how funny it was)

My point about you not reading them was that you say they don't partake in character building etc. which they totally are, Yoshitsune curse, Seimei drunken behavior while working to stop the demon march, Oda obsession with Amezon, what gold does is add more of those, while keeping the quality, and you complain that it is bad and ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

The sample size of Gold might be smaller, but let not forget Eiyu senki been out longer, especially for english audiance, as Gold didn't even have a fan patch, and Eiyu Senki also had console releases. The sample size might be smaller, but is big enough, and since the rating is on a basis of 10, that means the rating sees an increase of 5% which isn't small. And even in the case that it equalizes eventually, at worse it then means that Gold is of similar quality to the first game, surprising for such a "♥♥♥♥♥♥ cash grab".

Gold is indeed superior, doesn't stop the fact that the story itself is up to personal taste, Gold still has more QoL, better balance, more characters to play around with, and more scenes for those who got the patch (it IS an adult game after all)

Now, I have given you plenty of arguments, so unless you got proof on your claim that Gold is a cash grab, then I don't think you are serious about your concern, hell, you were aggressive from the get go, which doesn't help your point across, along lacking proper arguments as to why it is that bad

[Firehawk]

Originally posted by Experimantal:

At this point I start truly to feel like all you seek is to be negative and flaming.

At this point I'm truly starting to think you're willfully ignorant and disregard every piece of evidence I present just because it doesn't fit your opinion.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

If there was JUST new skills and effect, sure, a DLC would have fitted, but they added more to the point it is a whole new game in the same world: new story, more characters, same quality but in more quantity.

You'd call that a REMAKE and no, remake does not automatically equals to "better". Like in this case. Gold is crap.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

And yes, in Gold, characters were rebalanced meaning you can use characters that were completely useless in the first game, making sword and gun not the only option anymore, especially if you aim to go far in the new endless dungeon in Gold, or finish the 50 floor pagoda. In the first Eiyu Senki, yeah, some characters are completely useless, thank god they changed that in Gold, QoL am I right?

Nope, you're not. Brute force sword-gun units is still the most effective combo to plow your way through the fights and a lot of units, particularly the melee and artillery characters are practically worthless since they can only hit what's directly in front of them or in the back lines. Yeah, very QoL right there.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

So you say that the shop, which is a giant QoL, is "quantity over quality"? That's a major QoL especially since it add new items and fusion, allowing new builds.

Please. Most of the items have drawbacks that make not not worth using. Anything with a -Speed or -Defense should be thrown into the trash on the spot and don't even try worshipping the shop that's supposed to fuse items, because it's totally unintuitive with zero hints or suggestions as to what and how can be fused. Any decent RPG would give you at least some pointers but Gold? HAHAHA no. So not only you're flying blind with it, even the UI is incredibly primitive and clunky, meaning it discourages experimenting instead of encouraging it.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

Achievement boosting replayability is a good thing, means that, once you beat the game, you got reasons to replay it. The first game, once done, is done, you can close it and never return because there is no replayability unless you wanna try hard mode.

This is getting personal but I don't care - you're an incredibly shallow person for thinking that only by adding achievements will a game become worth replaying. I'm sure people playing Oblivion did it only for the achievements. I'm sure people playing Max Payne did it only for the achievements. And I'm sure people playing Root Double did it only for the achievements too! Heavens forbid people played them because they were so good on their own merits and not because they had achievements. Preposterous! Achievements huzzah! Achievements banzai!

Originally posted by Experimantal:

The skits are of the same quality overhaul to the first Eiyu Senki, so at this point, more of them is good, and isn't simply "quantity over quality". And these skits are enough to help know the character, their personality, their personal lives, and have a good time (Yoshitsune padding quest had me in tears how funny it was)

What reduces me to tears is that you actually think that the few character specific skits (even you're calling them that now instead of events!) is enough to give them character. Try playing Tales of Berseria to give you a grasp on what real characterization looks like through skits, that's a real story. The skits the girls have in Gold are mostly just there as an excuse so you'd maybe remember their names before throwing them into battle with the exception of the main gang.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

My point about you not reading them was that you say they don't partake in character building etc. which they totally are, Yoshitsune curse, Seimei drunken behavior while working to stop the demon march, Oda obsession with Amezon, what gold does is add more of those, while keeping the quality, and you complain that it is bad and ♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Random stuff all over the place isn't quality, it's a mess. Not to mention inconsistent. This is supposed to be a game with gender flipped famous characters from history and other places, but they neglected to actually flip Jeanne D'Arc. Doing that - now THAT would have been a twist and story to see. So no, random quirks and tidbits are not quality storytelling, only people with very low standards would think it is. The same kind who think dating sims and galge are the same thing.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

The sample size of Gold might be smaller, but let not forget Eiyu senki been out longer, especially for english audiance, as Gold didn't even have a fan patch, and Eiyu Senki also had console releases. The sample size might be smaller, but is big enough, and since the rating is on a basis of 10, that means the rating sees an increase of 5% which isn't small. And even in the case that it equalizes eventually, at worse it then means that Gold is of similar quality to the first game, surprising for such a "♥♥♥♥♥♥ cash grab".

Except not really. For one thing, it's a 4.5% increase, not 5. Get your facts straight if you're going to argue numbers. Second, a lot of the highest scores come from accounts that are in all likelyhood either bots or troll voters. You don't believe me? Here's some proof!

Crimson-nanashi https://vndb.org/u177332
This guy has voted on 14 games with all but 1 vote being straight 10s on everything. With PORN GAMES of all things ffs. If you're going to tell me someone who's giving ratings of 10 (MASTERPIECE) on porn games knows quality when they see it then you're just flatout being ignorant, and that's putting it mildly.

Another one, noname-shiro https://vndb.org/u120433
has 78 votes with all but one of them being 8 or higher. Anybody who's actually read that many visual novels would have a much more diverse scoring but no, everything he voted on was awesome. Oh, and to top it off, the vast majority of those votes were centered on the same days. You're not going to tell me he's read 50+ visual novels the same day, are you?

Another one, kniz https://vndb.org/u165539
has a whole lot of 2 votes, both being 10s where one was for Gold and the other for a dating sim which isn't even finished. Surely such an experienced and knowledgable person would know quality, right?

Vladsender https://vndb.org/u132960
Two votes with 10 on Gold and a 9 on a loli porn game. And I'm supposed to think his votes have the same value as my input which I actually back up with facts.

Mark225user https://vndb.org/u140467
118 (!), all 10s (!!!)

Why don't we detract votes like these and see if your Gold is actually gold or just polished turd (hah!)?

Originally posted by Experimantal:

Gold is indeed superior

No, it's not.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

doesn't stop the fact that the story itself is up to personal taste

So on one hand you call it superior, which implies a fact (and arrogance) that doesn't exist and within the very same sentence you say the story is up to "personal taste" which means it's not superior because it's a matter of opinion. Wonderfully destroyed your own argument with that self contradiction, another piece of evidence that Gold is NOT superior.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

Gold still has more QoL, better balance, more characters to play around with, and more scenes for those who got the patch (it IS an adult game after all)

An adult game that caters to sickos with a loli fetish.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

Now, I have given you plenty of arguments

Please. Those weren't arguments, those were blatantly biased opinions.

Originally posted by Experimantal:

so unless you got proof on your claim that Gold is a cash grab, then I don't think you are serious about your concern, hell, you were aggressive from the get go, which doesn't help your point across, along lacking proper arguments as to why it is that bad

Gyahahahahahahaaha! Lacking proper arguments, hahahahahaha! Newsflash, buddy, just because you don't like what I say doesn't make it any less true.

[brian]

Originally posted by Firehawk:

i really shouldn't bump this, but screw it, this thread came up in my search results, and i can't resist responding to say that posts like yours make me wish we could deduct points from the steam accounts of others for making dumb posts

[Firehawk]

Originally posted by brian:

Originally posted by Firehawk:

i really shouldn't bump this, but screw it, this thread came up in my search results, and i can't resist responding to say that posts like yours make me wish we could deduct points from the steam accounts of others for making dumb posts

Enjoy your report for necro and flamebaiting.

[June]

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