Russia hard route.

[Apollo]

Is there any strategy for beating this one before the EU? They got 3 units of over 4000 troops in the first fight, and our units got their troops halved before the fight even began. Or I should go to Macedonia first? I'm trying to get all the Difficulty Bonuses.

So far the game is ridiculously easy so it was quite a shock, lol.

[Gin-chan]

Well there's no time limit in the gme so you can end your turn as many times as it takes to build up soldiers to power through the fight. Then again this will make all encounters after that extremely easy then lol.

[Milkymalk]

Russia is impossible right after the three east asian countries without skipping countless turns (which I consider somewhat cheating). Macedonia first is about as difficult to me as India was right after unifying Zipang (I went India -> Mongols -> Taika, which made Mongols and Taika ridiculously easy). It's a challenge, but beatable if you use all the mechanics in the game.

Minor strategy spoiler for Macedonia:
They start using their special attacks, so giving them those power points by using skill advantages is probably not a good idea

[Apollo]

Thanks. I went ahead and defeated Macedonia afterward, then Egypt. It was difficult at first, but after getting Macedonia I have enough Heroines to defend against Egypt's 2 counters per turn, Alexander is quite good, despite her low atk.

It turned out that the first "EU" fight in the South Sea wasn't "EU" at all, but with the Unknown. So I still have time to prepare to fight Russia before expanding West.

[dq_177]

I've Conquered the South Seas, Austrailia, the islands around Hawaii, North America and now Macedonia then Egypt.

That leaves me with a new option that seems pretty 'plot important in the south', Russia or Babylon.
Don't think I'm ready to deal with Russian winters since I barely have any units with 4000 men unless I sit and grind.
Tried to beat Babylon but those two big 4000+ units of spearmen sitting on +2 def terrain were too strong & tough meaning I ran out of time after a bloody battle on both sides.

Could use advice on beating either Russia or Babylon really.

EDIT: With a little reorganisation I managed to beat Babylon in a hard-fought battle... but not sure what to do after that? Since the wall is not breached so easily...

[Apollo]

You can't capture Babylon until after you've got both Russia and EU. Even if you win the fight, you will be forced out of the land.

From the order of conquered countries, it seems like you're going the easy route. Since you can't fight either Russia or EU yet, your only choice is to move to South America.

At your point in the story, most of my units are ~4000 troops, Lubu, MC and Nobunaga 5000, all without grinding. The rest are either new or unused units (around 3000 troops each). But maybe it's because I went with the hard route and unconsicously spent more money on expanding units.

Some tips I can give at this point is to invest in some heavy hitting units like Nobunaga (get her 30% crit chance), Billy the Kid (her Quick Draw is a Godsent) and Magellan, as well as good frontline like Lubu (Do her personal events now if you still haven't. It will get you her passive +2 SPD if she's on the frontline, making her the best Spearman you have at this point). Type matchup will start to get less useful starting from this point on. You will need a sturdy frontline so your gunners can dish out damage.

[Milkymalk]

Originally posted by Apollo:

You can't capture Babylon until after you've got both Russia and EU. Even if you win the fight, you will be forced out of the land.

You mean Gordion.

[Apollo]

Originally posted by Milkymalk:

Originally posted by Apollo:

You can't capture Babylon until after you've got both Russia and EU. Even if you win the fight, you will be forced out of the land.

You mean Gordion.

No, I meant Babylonia. If you win the fight there, a cut scene will show up and MC will say something like "What, they recovered instantly!". Then you were pushed out of the land.

[dq_177]

Originally posted by Apollo:

You can't capture Babylon until after you've got both Russia and EU. Even if you win the fight, you will be forced out of the land.

From the order of conquered countries, it seems like you're going the easy route. Since you can't fight either Russia or EU yet, your only choice is to move to South America.

At your point in the story, most of my units are ~4000 troops, Lubu, MC and Nobunaga 5000, all without grinding. The rest are either new or unused units (around 3000 troops each). But maybe it's because I went with the hard route and unconsicously spent more money on expanding units.

Some tips I can give at this point is to invest in some heavy hitting units like Nobunaga (get her 30% crit chance), Billy the Kid (her Quick Draw is a Godsent) and Magellan, as well as good frontline like Lubu (Do her personal events now if you still haven't. It will get you her passive +2 SPD if she's on the frontline, making her the best Spearman you have at this point). Type matchup will start to get less useful starting from this point on. You will need a sturdy frontline so your gunners can dish out damage.

More like I spent too much money on grinding up all my units perhaps.
I've done 'Hard Route' choices a few times through this playthrough and gotten the items for it, like taking Mongolia first or Hawaii before Austrailia or the Pirates before South America.

And by EU you mean specifically Europe right? Not getting involved between the EU forces and the 'unknown' units around the South Seas.

[Apollo]

No the Unknown force doesn't count as EU.

[dq_177]

So is there no way to counter the cold?

You'd think after the first battle or your first defeat there would be a mission to improve the winter gear or something.

[Firehawk]

If I'm not mistaken Leonardo will come up with a countermeasure against the cold if you go the easy route and conquer the EU first. That will neutralize General Winter. On the hard way however, the only way to take Russia is to have twice the number of troops as the enemy army does before every battle since the weather will kill off a large number of troops before it even begins, and it becomes even harder when you reach Moscow.

[ongaku-tec]

it's possible to beat russia, but you need to have the indias and the usa heroes, also you would need to upgrade those units as much as you can along with himiko or other healer because you will need to replenish as much health as you can because the cold weather causes you to loss half your health, only advance one place at a time and in the second turn just defend but have in mind that you need to use the strongest heroes on the first battle to be able to gain the territory and after that you just need to defend the ground, i cleared the russian before egypt and the EU it's difficult but not impossible xD just do it this way and you can beat it ooor there has to be some easier way but, this worked for me. and no you dont need to beat macedonia to beat russia

p.s. i picked the fight with russia by accident xD so i decided to beat it before the EU and egypt, so remember you need stronger axe,lance and healer, choose the stronger team on the battle to gain ground and in the enemie turn just maintain the winned territory and you will reach adn beat ivan

[ongaku-tec]

also watch that the units you make stronger are the fastest of their class you have 2 axe char.and you have nobunaga and columbus ..(though columbus is not fast she have pretty good stats) and a lancer be it lu bu or other and magallanes is pretty slow and in that stage she don't have are attacks so better choose columbus and billy the kid instead, you will need to make these characters as strong as you can because ivan is a sword and rasputin a magician so you need the axe,lancer and gun to deal with those 2 and the armie of ivan, adn i said that choose the fastes because this will be pretty critical with the weather and the strength diference adnother P.S. if you beat usa before doing russia start from there to attack russia and when you get to kanchatsky or something like that it's the name you will unlock another char.

[Apollo]

Originally posted by ongaku-tec:

also watch that the units you make stronger are the fastest of their class you have 2 axe char.and you have nobunaga and columbus ..(though columbus is not fast she have pretty good stats) and a lancer be it lu bu or other and magallanes is pretty slow and in that stage she don't have are attacks so better choose columbus and billy the kid instead, you will need to make these characters as strong as you can because ivan is a sword and rasputin a magician so you need the axe,lancer and gun to deal with those 2 and the armie of ivan, adn i said that choose the fastes because this will be pretty critical with the weather and the strength diference adnother P.S. if you beat usa before doing russia start from there to attack russia and when you get to kanchatsky or something like that it's the name you will unlock another char.

How many troops each units do you have when fighting Russia? At Irkutsk they have 3 swords and 3 spear, 5 of them over 6000 troops. My axe and spear units got 3000 after reduced by half, and they aren't able to tank for the gunners, especially when the gun attacks give the enemy brave, they just spam needle rush from behind.

This is where I prefer the action points from Sengoku Rance instead of infinite action, lol. At least with Uruza in Rance, the enemies can't stay in their safe place and spam long range attacks.

[Firehawk]

Sengoku Rance is better all around, so there's little you can do short of playing it again.
And you don't need the USA heroes for Russia, India, China and Mongolia provide enough revenue t build up your armies if you skip enough turns. As for conquering Irkutsk and further, you need to play what you have strategically. Gunners are vulnerable but deal insane damage so if you don't take them out first then you can't possibly win. In the first place, using axe units there is a huge mistake since they have the shortest range while gunners the longest bar artillery. Having swordfighters on the frontline is a must there if you don't want to waste two turns getting close enough to them.