Difference between this and Sengoku Rance

[Xennii]

I know Rance is a series of game, but looking at the pictures, the style of gameplay look similar to Sengoku Rance. Just wondering if anyone have played both and would be able to share some differences between the two.

[Firehawk]

Originally posted by PatrickRoHD:

i want to play sengoku rance but without the h-scenes/porn images help
i can be accomplished ?

No. That would be like cooking a dish without its main ingredients. Totally defeats the purpose of the whole thing.

[Ghost42]

Originally posted by PatrickRoHD:

i want to play sengoku rance but without the h-scenes/porn images help
i can be accomplished ?

The Manga Gamer version has an optional Streamer censor patch. The other games in the series don't however: https://imgur.com/a/QazKUje (marked as mature for obvious reasons, though nothing explicit is in the image.)
I've never used the patch so I'm not sure if it just censors the visuals or the text as well.
Just be aware that even without the H, quality doesn't mean morality.

Originally posted by Firehawk:

Originally posted by PatrickRoHD:

i want to play sengoku rance but without the h-scenes/porn images help
i can be accomplished ?

No. That would be like cooking a dish without its main ingredients. Totally defeats the purpose of the whole thing.

Yes and no. It would be very hard to isolate H from the MC, but the majority of the lore/ world is quite interesting without it imo. I've spent more time reading through the lore on the wiki than the H.

[Firehawk]

Originally posted by Ghost42:

Originally posted by Firehawk:

No. That would be like cooking a dish without its main ingredients. Totally defeats the purpose of the whole thing.

Yes and no. It would be very hard to isolate H from the MC, but the majority of the lore/ world is quite interesting without it imo. I've spent more time reading through the lore on the wiki than the H.

I never said the Rance games don't have an interesting world. But just because you spent more time reading the wikia doesn't make my statement any less true. H is an integral part of Rance, without it there's no Rance. It's that simple.

[Ghost42]

Originally posted by Firehawk:

Originally posted by Ghost42:

Yes and no. It would be very hard to isolate H from the MC, but the majority of the lore/ world is quite interesting without it imo. I've spent more time reading through the lore on the wiki than the H.

I never said the Rance games don't have an interesting world.

I never said you did. I said the games have enough non-H content to be enjoyed without it and there was an option to censor it in the MG version, which is what they were asking for.
Being said, claiming the H scenes are necessary for it to have a purpose while still maintaining that the lore/world is interesting outside the H seems to be a dissonant position.
Much like the FATE Stay/Night VN, the H isn't needed to make the rest of the world work (different story for Rance as a character however, well general H is part of his character/ lore, not just the scenes).

Originally posted by Firehawk:

But just because you spent more time reading the wikia doesn't make my statement any less true.

Indeed, though stating I read the wiki for the lore more than I watch the H scenes is a tidbit/ support for my claim that it can be enjoyable without the H scenes.
What makes your statement untrue is the MG censor patch. At least in the context that you were responding to someone asking if something like it exists.

Originally posted by Firehawk:

H is an integral part of Rance, without it there's no Rance. It's that simple.

I completely agree for Rance as a character, and even stated it would be very difficult to disconnect them in my other reply. Especially in the other games in the series where the exclusion would break a lot of cohesion.

However if you're referring to Rance as the game (specifically Sengoku), then there's enough disconnect between the main events and the H scenes that censoring them can maintain a quality experience (there are a couple of scenes that would break cohesion, the first scene with Suzume, and when one of the main characters is kidnapped are the only two that come to mind, other than that they aren't needed to follow the events/ story).

[Firehawk]

Sexual scenes are already censored in the original Japanese game, they have laws or rules that say genitals must be covered by mosaic, which is interesting considering they are so big on some seriously sick stuff. You may have referred to all age editions which is not censorship when done well, but there are publishers that ♥♥♥♥ up so bad it's a dumpster fire like MoeNovel did with their trainwreck of If My Heart Had Wings. Little Busters also have some infuriating form of CG censorship that downgraded already safe pictures to Hello Kitty levels. This is the point where I flip the bird and say, "♥♥♥♥ them!".

Let's make something clear. Censorship is bad. It is a tool of oppression by bigot and hypocritical people for people who want to decide for others what to think or like and deprive them even the option of choosing. Your choice of example is thus flawed: Fate/stay night has two different editions, the original one containing adult scenes, and a console one called Realta Nua. I don't care if someone likes the all ages version, that's their prerogative. But when they screw up my enjoyment of H scenes because they are fossils from the Victorian era or SJWs by saying "Hmph! H is bad! No H for you because it's bad!", I want to punch their teeth out. And they would fully deserve it.

Is it difficult to find quality adult content in visual novels? Depends on what you're into, but I'm leaning to say yes. Sengoku Rance is one of the better ones where I still skip some of the scenes (like the generic post-conquest girls or those with candles), BUT THAT IS MY CHOICE AND NOT SOMEONE ELSE'S. NOBODY GETS TO DECIDE WHAT I SHOULD LIKE TO SEE.

Case in point: the glassed milf in the theme park after completing the dungeon at the Oil Field has H scenes that have no relevation to the main plot at all. Is it skippable? Sure, if you want. But (pardon me for saying this) you'd be a moron to actually skip it because it's hilarious. Or there's Kenshin. Or Urza. The relationship dynamic between Rance and them wouldn't be nearly as effective without seeing the scenes leading up to them. Just no. And to begin with, anybody who isn't totally clueless would know in advance that Rance games are eroge meant to be eroge, so they would know what they are getting into. Forcing censorship into the equation would be a classic case of "this is why we can't have nice things".

I also argue that those scenes you mention break cohesion. On the countrary, the one with Suzume establishes Rance's character as a (funny) sex maniac perfectly, while the other is a leadup or foreshadowing to the darker part of the game's story. Cutting those out would kill a lot of their motivations. If all I wanted was reading up on the events taking place there I wouldn't need the game itself after all, would I? The wiki alone would suffice then.

Bottom line is, I hate censorship. And I hate everybody who supports censorship. End of story.

[Ghost42]

You seem to be under the impression that I'm pro censorship, I'm anti-censorship as well (I brought Eiyuu on Jast directly out of spite of the censored Steam version despite the AO patch being available, and I stand by that), however my responses have kept this comment in mind as well:

Originally posted by PatrickRoHD:

i want to play sengoku rance but without the h-scenes/porn images help
i can be accomplished ?

This is a person asking to censor their own personal experience, not anyone else's.

My arguments have never been "the game should be censored," my arguments have been "if this person wants to play it censored then it's still an enjoyable experience and they have the option to do so."
The reference to the Fate VN is because the Fate series have shown to be successful/ enjoyable without it as well. Should Fate be censored by default? No. Is it still enjoyable while censored? Yes. Same with Sengoku Rance.
If you want to play games uncensored, I support that, it's your choice. If they want to play censored, I support that as well, it's their choice. I don't agree with playing censored, but what or how they play isn't, and shouldn't be up to me.

I agree with Urza and Kenshin as well. Though 6 is needed to get the full dynamic from Urza so playing Sengoku doesn't give the full experience even without the censor patch.

Originally posted by Firehawk:

I also argue that those scenes you mention break cohesion. On the countrary, the one with Suzume establishes Rance's character as a (funny) sex maniac perfectly, while the other is a leadup or foreshadowing to the darker part of the game's story. Cutting those out would kill a lot of their motivations.

Please re-read the statement I made about them, they were mentioned as notable exceptions, not examples. The scene with Suzume breaks cohesion because the game gives the player her mental state during the scene, something the series does pretty often to develop the female characters (like with your examples; Kenshin, and Urza (in 6)) it show's she's having fun and leads up to her defection, that's the reason I listed it as one of the notable scenes that break cohesion, not because of Rance.

[Firehawk]

If your responses were meant to inform that person then that's a different matter, although I still stand by my opinion that you can't play Sengoku Rance without sex. Even if you did your darndest to avoid them (which would mean missing out on a LOT of characters), there are still the unavoidable H scenes which means it boils down to a simple choice for him - take it or leave it. There's no middle ground.

[Ghost42]

Indeed, there are unavoidable scenes and the SAT mechanic is ~95% directly tied to them (with the exception of the 15 you get from the shell dungeon). But they weren't asking if they could be avoided, they asked if they could be censored.

I tested the streamer patch, it replaces the H visuals with Kou saying the image isn't available in the Streamer version with the MG website URL. From what I saw the text and music are unchanged, Glorious Days for all!

[Firehawk]

If anything Eiyuu Senki is the game that should be free of porn. It's so fixed on lolis, it's disgusting.
And if I just wanted to listen to the music I would have bought the soundtrack.