The growing popularity of Netorare (NTR) is becoming a serious issue.

[Galaxies]

Hey y'all so with the release of this game on steam, it really made me think.....

Just the other day I was over at a friend's house and we played it all the way to the end (Empire Route) and well, not gonna spoil anything, but, you already get the gist of it if you read the game's description on the store page. Is it just me, or is NTR becoming normalized? I find it being posted around here and there as if there's nothing wrong with it. It has become comfortably common. Too common for me, at least.

What really bothers me is that something inherently wrong is being accepted and even endorsed today. Proof? The proof is self-evident, you just need to use your eyes to see it for yourself. Take a look at this game being put ON STEAM, of all places! about 7 years ago when i was in highschool, I never would have thought about anime games being sold on Steam, let alone one about NTR! !

So guys, you know, this is really messed up. How can someone enjoy the thought of having their loved one sleep with other people? What is the point of a relationship with someone if it is going to be like that? There's no love. There's no loyalty. There's no honesty. There's no respect. And that is really messed up guys, I just don't get it.

Before the white knights come rushing in with the cuckold cavalry, you can't use your favorite excuse to justify your disgusting fetish.

"OH BUT I'M SELF INSERTING AS THE GUY WHO STEALS HIS GIRLFRIEND!!"

No, you cretin. You cannot use that line of reasoning when most, if not all netorare content is SHOWN FROM THE VICTIM'S POINT OF VIEW.

This is real messed up bro, like seriously.

For those who have finished the Empire Route, what are your thoughts about how it went and its finale? It was real messed up bro....it was F*CKED UP

[Galaxies]

Unentokku の投稿を引用：

🌟🍶G A L＠ＸＩＥＳ の投稿を引用：

I never said i was religious myself, and I really could care less about what the Bible says about all of this. And yet, from the way you type, you assumed that i was from the get-go . So what's your motive buddy?

If you didn't care then why did you want to know the exact verse that said so? It easily makes it sound like you'd be religious.

Anyway I'd claim that saying that popularity of NTR is normalizing and making people be ok with it is wrong when the point of it is that people aren't ok with it and that some people are kind of masochistic and enjoy how horrible NTR makes them feel.

Also not sure if you are aware but all good porn sites(such as tsumino, e-hentai/exhentai and nhentai) support exluding tags from search results in some way like adding - before the search term so -netorare or -tag:netorare

I just don't like it when profligates see a video game thread as an opportunity to use their grudge against Christianity as a talking point to argue that cheating in relationships isn't a bad thing, but condeming it is. They could at least not make unsupported claims before someone asks them to cite the actual verses they speak of.

In any case, you don't even need to be a part of a religion to have principles and morality. You don't need to believe in a God to know that infidelity is wrong. Cheating in relationships is a form of betrayal as it involves dishonesty and doing things your partner would not like if they were aware of it. This sort of behaviour takes advantage of the partner's love, devotion, and commitment to their partner, you certainly don't need religious beliefs to know this.

I won't assume these bible-bashing degenerates are intelligent enough to understand this, so I will say it again: you don't need to be religious to know NTR is WRONG!

Although they were trying to argue that sexual infidelity isn't wrong by mentioning that violence is widely accepted but this sort of sexual deviant content is not.

I don't know, maybe its because violence in video games easily falls under fantasy. When it comes to it, it is easy to sacrifice the realism and logic of video games for the sake of enjoyment.

NTR, however, is quite different. Looking at content that involves stuff like that leaves more of an impact on someone than a violent video game. The emotional anguish of seeing a relationship torn apart and someone betrayed is quite relatable and is more likely to happen to the average person than some grandiose fight where there's teleportations from behind followed by a slash of a katana.

There is an increase of netorare content in porn sites, and its saddening. Just go to any hentai website and you'll see. I do believe that being exposed to this kind of stuff all the time really does affect the way you think. If all the hentai doujinshi you read has NTR in its tags, then, well, you'd be conditioned to think of sexual contexts in that manner. I'm not saying that everyone reads ALL netorare, but if there's a huge surplus of such content out there then it surely will have an effect.

[Scythia]

Citing the text of a religious scriptue isn't bashing. Also I have at no point made any effort to support netorare. I merely pointed out the moral weakness of your stance, and supported a claim regarding the puritanical repression of sexuality while embracing violence. You tilt at windmills, unable to distinguish even basic logic.

It's clear by now that you are personally invested in the ideas you so stridently claim. You also come across as embittered. In short, you sound like a zealot who neither recognizes nor seeks an actual debate. For the record, I am no fan of netorare myself, although I am psychologically sound enough to distinguish between fantasy and reality, thus not seeing the kind of fantasy this game represents as particularly relevant to real world actions. I do however greatly dislike hypocrisy in all forms, and your stance reeks of it. To claim any degree of moral superiority bcause you disapprove of netorare, while gladly accepting murder, assualt, and every other questionable act otherwise presented is nothing but a bad joke.

[dynastystar]

Scythia の投稿を引用：

Citing the text of a religious scriptue isn't bashing. Also I have at no point made any effort to support netorare. I merely pointed out the moral weakness of your stance, and supported a claim regarding the puritanical repression of sexuality while embracing violence. You tilt at windmills, unable to distinguish even basic logic.

It's clear by now that you are personally invested in the ideas you so stridently claim. You also come across as embittered. In short, you sound like a zealot who neither recognizes nor seeks an actual debate. For the record, I am no fan of netorare myself, although I am psychologically sound enough to distinguish between fantasy and reality, thus not seeing the kind of fantasy this game represents as particularly relevant to real world actions. I do however greatly dislike hypocrisy in all forms, and your stance reeks of it. To claim any degree of moral superiority bcause you disapprove of netorare, while gladly accepting murder, assualt, and every other questionable act otherwise presented is nothing but a bad joke.

ROASTED.

[Galaxies]

Scythia の投稿を引用：

Citing the text of a religious scriptue isn't bashing. Also I have at no point made any effort to support netorare. I merely pointed out the moral weakness of your stance, and supported a claim regarding the puritanical repression of sexuality while embracing violence. You tilt at windmills, unable to distinguish even basic logic.

It's clear by now that you are personally invested in the ideas you so stridently claim. You also come across as embittered. In short, you sound like a zealot who neither recognizes nor seeks an actual debate. For the record, I am no fan of netorare myself, although I am psychologically sound enough to distinguish between fantasy and reality, thus not seeing the kind of fantasy this game represents as particularly relevant to real world actions. I do however greatly dislike hypocrisy in all forms, and your stance reeks of it. To claim any degree of moral superiority bcause you disapprove of netorare, while gladly accepting murder, assualt, and every other questionable act otherwise presented is nothing but a bad joke.

Stop putting words into my mouth. When have i ever condoned violence, let alone even accept it in favor of NTR?

Psychologically sound enough to distinguish between fantasy and reality? Isn't that my line? You only bring up violence to put a viel over the implications of cheating in relationships. The increasing rates of divorce and emboldened immorality is a real thing, however. You won't see giant robots shooting out laser beams outside in reality in the same manner as you do in video games or anime anytime soon.

How convenient of you to denounce NTR only after i pointed it out in my prior reply. Come on dude Come on.

[dynastystar]

🌟🍶G A L＠ＸＩＥＳ の投稿を引用：

Scythia の投稿を引用：

Citing the text of a religious scriptue isn't bashing. Also I have at no point made any effort to support netorare. I merely pointed out the moral weakness of your stance, and supported a claim regarding the puritanical repression of sexuality while embracing violence. You tilt at windmills, unable to distinguish even basic logic.

It's clear by now that you are personally invested in the ideas you so stridently claim. You also come across as embittered. In short, you sound like a zealot who neither recognizes nor seeks an actual debate. For the record, I am no fan of netorare myself, although I am psychologically sound enough to distinguish between fantasy and reality, thus not seeing the kind of fantasy this game represents as particularly relevant to real world actions. I do however greatly dislike hypocrisy in all forms, and your stance reeks of it. To claim any degree of moral superiority bcause you disapprove of netorare, while gladly accepting murder, assualt, and every other questionable act otherwise presented is nothing but a bad joke.

Stop putting words into my mouth. :smug: When have i ever condoned violence, let alone even accept it in favor of NTR?

Psychologically sound enough to distinguish between fantasy and reality? Isn't that my line? :wizorblaugh: You only bring up violence to put a viel over the implications of cheating in relationships. The increasing rates of divorce and emboldened immorality is a real thing, however. You won't see giant robots shooting out laser beams outside in reality in the same manner as you do in video games or anime anytime soon.

How convenient of you to denounce NTR only after i pointed it out in my prior reply. Come on dude :wizorblaugh: Come on.

*goes into your profile and sees Fallout: New Vegas as your "Favorite Game", as well as CS:GO, Left 4 Dead, Payday 2, TF2, etc. as your games you most frequently played*
Edit: Oh, and 50 hours on Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number.

[Galaxies]

dynastystar の投稿を引用：

🌟🍶G A L＠ＸＩＥＳ の投稿を引用：

Stop putting words into my mouth. When have i ever condoned violence, let alone even accept it in favor of NTR?

Psychologically sound enough to distinguish between fantasy and reality? Isn't that my line? You only bring up violence to put a viel over the implications of cheating in relationships. The increasing rates of divorce and emboldened immorality is a real thing, however. You won't see giant robots shooting out laser beams outside in reality in the same manner as you do in video games or anime anytime soon.

How convenient of you to denounce NTR only after i pointed it out in my prior reply. Come on dude Come on.

*goes into your profile and sees Fallout: New Vegas as your "Favorite Game", as well as CS:GO, Left 4 Dead, Payday 2, TF2, etc. as your games you most frequently played*
Edit: Oh, and 50 hours on Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number.

What does that have to do with anything? Tell me please because I'm an idiot

And to the profligate earlier, i sure love how you say "In the modern era, how many Christian churches are pacifist? (Next to none)" without giving any specific example. Not even a single name. I also love how you only use Christianity as an example, too!

Do you really think I'll take your word for it as it is? If Christians are as violent as you say they are, then Europe wouldn't be suffering the hell they are experiencing right now!

I'll bet you wouldn't dare to talk about how Islamic countries, namely Saudi Arabia, punish adulterous women with death! ! Don't you know they get stoned to death? No, they don't get high, they get stones thrown at them because they broke Sharia law.

You degenerate, i can see through you so easily. You must be seething as you desperately hope i would not point this out. You disgust me.

[dynastystar]

🌟🍶G A L＠ＸＩＥＳ の投稿を引用：

dynastystar の投稿を引用：

*goes into your profile and sees Fallout: New Vegas as your "Favorite Game", as well as CS:GO, Left 4 Dead, Payday 2, TF2, etc. as your games you most frequently played*
Edit: Oh, and 50 hours on Hotline Miami 2: Wrong Number.

What does that have to do with anything? Tell me please because I'm an idiot :smug:

And to the profligate earlier, i sure love how you say "In the modern era, how many Christian churches are pacifist? (Next to none)" without giving any specific example. Not even a single name. I also love how you only use Christianity as an example, too!

Do you really think I'll take your word for it as it is? If Christians are as violent as you say they are, then Europe wouldn't be suffering the hell they are experiencing right now!

I'll bet you wouldn't dare to talk about how Islamic countries, namely Saudi Arabia, punish adulterous women with death! :wizorblaugh:! Don't you know they get stoned to death? No, they don't get high, they get stones thrown at them because they broke Sharia law.

You degenerate, i can see through you so easily. You must be seething as you desperately hope i would not point this out. You disgust me.

You're replying to a different person. I never used Chrstianity as an example. I'm just saying that you were claiming that quote: "When have i ever condoned violence", when you clearly condone it in the games that you play. When it comes to my beliefs on religion, I don't give a ♥♥♥♥ if there is a God or whatever or not. I'm here now, and I'm living my life the way I want to, as opposed to being bound down by some religious text. I have my own morals and values on my own, not because a book says its good or bad. I feel that a game should be able to have WHATEVER the developers want to put into it, and people can choose if they want to support it or not. If somebody wants to make some filth, and only like 2 people buy it because everybody else sees it apprehensible, thats the free market. If they're happy about that because they got the product they wanted to out there, good on them. That goes for violence, sexuality, NTR, jiggle physics, WHATEVER you can list off it should be allowed so long as there are no actual victims in the production of making it(ie. one of the big differences between particular types of live-action porn, and hentai).

[Bud]

🌟🍶G A L＠ＸＩＥＳ の投稿を引用：

Hey y'all so with the release of this game on steam, it really made me think.....:wizorbneutral:

Just the other day I was over at a friend's house and we played it all the way to the end (Empire Route) and well, not gonna spoil anything, but, you already get the gist of it if you read the game's description on the store page. Is it just me, or is NTR becoming normalized? I find it being posted around here and there as if there's nothing wrong with it. It has become comfortably common. Too common for me, at least.

What really bothers me is that something inherently wrong is being accepted and even endorsed today. Proof? The proof is self-evident, you just need to use your eyes to see it for yourself. Take a look at this game being put ON STEAM, of all places! about 7 years ago when i was in highschool, I never would have thought about anime games being sold on Steam, let alone one about NTR! :sadpanda: !

So guys, you know, this is really messed up. How can someone enjoy the thought of having their loved one sleep with other people? What is the point of a relationship with someone if it is going to be like that? There's no love. There's no loyalty. There's no honesty. There's no respect. And that is really messed up guys, I just don't get it.

Before the white knights come rushing in with the cuckold cavalry, you can't use your favorite excuse to justify your disgusting fetish.

"OH BUT I'M SELF INSERTING AS THE GUY WHO STEALS HIS GIRLFRIEND!!"

No, you cretin. You cannot use that line of reasoning when most, if not all netorare content is SHOWN FROM THE VICTIM'S POINT OF VIEW.

This is real messed up bro, like seriously.

For those who have finished the Empire Route, what are your thoughts about how it went and its finale? It was real messed up bro....it was F*CKED UP :berserk: :csgogun::Nepgear:

...Yeah...And...So....What?

I will admit, this game was honestly quite bad but so the hell what if sex in a game is produced here on Steam? Lets be serious here for a second, a game where you can blow someones head off or do almost any other criminal activity always seemed to be okay here on Steam but 'god forbid' you see a cartoon nipple?

I don't really need anime sex scenes and I could do a hella lot better than what this game offers off of one of the MANY free sex game sites but I truly need to ask, why is this such a damn concern for you?

[Liandri]

🌟🍶G A L＠ＸＩＥＳ の投稿を引用：

How can someone enjoy the thought of having their loved one sleep with other people?

Is that a question you created a thread for?
This is a fetish. Is there a point in asking people why do they have it? There are enough discussions about that, e.g. on reddit.

Also, it's not just an anime game, it's an R18 anime game and it's meant for people with fetishes. From what I understand, NTR-based fetishes are quite a thing in Japan, and it's trivial to expect such things in Japanese games. Maybe instead you should ask publisher and developer why they decided to localize Japanese R18 game and make it available to worldwide audience with some content removed or censored.

Might want to just check the internet to see how many unique fetishes Japanese people have. You may be surprised, but no need to call anyone weird just because you don't understand people in Japan. There are distinct cultural and social differences between them and the rest of the world. And personally, I think that the very existence of many fetishes that might seem weird is the sign of higher social stability: people are able to invest more time and effort into exploring, creating and enjoying their favorite things when they are less burdened by everyday problems.

[Wise Guy]

superbadius の投稿を引用：

I think this issue is only a problem for Christians (and perhaps Muslims? I don't know).

It's funny that we're allowed to fantasize about killling massive hordes of "bad guys", and that's barely considered pg13.

But if there is sex involved, it's XXX.

Murder all you want. Just don't fornicate. Right?

But then, historically, that has always been the Christian way. Sexually repressed "Christian Soldiers" running around killing each other and half of them dying as virgins.

Bloodlust is not as corrupt as sexual lust. You kill people and you're done with it, sexuality? People won't stop finding other ways to become more degenerate.

[Wise Guy]

Scythia の投稿を引用：

🌟🍶G A L＠ＸＩＥＳ の投稿を引用：

[Citation needed]

The Bible lists dozens of reasons to kill someone, but says that any kind of sex before marriage is inexcusable (and often a reason to be killed). In the later part the killing is toned down, but the anti-sex message is amped up saying that if you even look at a woman with lust you're an adulterer. In the modern era, how many Christian churches are pacifist? (Next to none) How many stress the importance of virginity/no sex before marriage? (Most of them)

As for the over reaction to sexual content, just look at Steam. A vast majority of the games are about fighting and or killing. They're a-okay. A tiny subset feature sexual content, and they are required to be censored to prevent any nudity, and are now being penalized for offering official de-censoring options.

Of course it's always the christians that end up being attacked, not the muslims, not the jews.

[Loophole]

It is quite annoying that even you tried to keep your virgin for the love one but still get a wtf end. I know this kind of game is produced for that reason, but why can they just make a good end? Btw, I hate to see the face of the male.

[Bud]

Loophole の投稿を引用：

It is quite annoying that even you tried to keep your virgin for the love one but still get a wtf end. I know this kind of game is produced for that reason, but why can they just make a good end? Btw, I hate to see the face of the male.

..thank you.

[DarkLancer212]

Does this game even have a good ending at all for the good people or is it just another typical NTR with tacky endings only?

[Wise Guy]

DarkLancer212 の投稿を引用：

Does this game even have a good ending at all for the good people or is it just another typical NTR with tacky endings only?

What does NTR stand for?