The growing popularity of Netorare (NTR) is becoming a serious issue.

[Galaxies]

Hey y'all so with the release of this game on steam, it really made me think.....

Just the other day I was over at a friend's house and we played it all the way to the end (Empire Route) and well, not gonna spoil anything, but, you already get the gist of it if you read the game's description on the store page. Is it just me, or is NTR becoming normalized? I find it being posted around here and there as if there's nothing wrong with it. It has become comfortably common. Too common for me, at least.

What really bothers me is that something inherently wrong is being accepted and even endorsed today. Proof? The proof is self-evident, you just need to use your eyes to see it for yourself. Take a look at this game being put ON STEAM, of all places! about 7 years ago when i was in highschool, I never would have thought about anime games being sold on Steam, let alone one about NTR! !

So guys, you know, this is really messed up. How can someone enjoy the thought of having their loved one sleep with other people? What is the point of a relationship with someone if it is going to be like that? There's no love. There's no loyalty. There's no honesty. There's no respect. And that is really messed up guys, I just don't get it.

Before the white knights come rushing in with the cuckold cavalry, you can't use your favorite excuse to justify your disgusting fetish.

"OH BUT I'M SELF INSERTING AS THE GUY WHO STEALS HIS GIRLFRIEND!!"

No, you cretin. You cannot use that line of reasoning when most, if not all netorare content is SHOWN FROM THE VICTIM'S POINT OF VIEW.

This is real messed up bro, like seriously.

For those who have finished the Empire Route, what are your thoughts about how it went and its finale? It was real messed up bro....it was F*CKED UP

[Galaxies]

dynastystar eredeti hozzászólása:

🌟🍶G A L＠ＸＩＥＳ eredeti hozzászólása:

Bro i'm telling you they don't draw vanilla milf douijins no more and it very saddening....i can't fap to ntr...come on....

Gotta look harder.

HOW MUCH HARDER DO I GOTTA LOOK!? !!! I spent sleepless nights with an erection because all i could see were NTR douijins! I AINT ABOUT THAT LIFE MAN

[dynastystar]

🌟🍶G A L＠ＸＩＥＳ eredeti hozzászólása:

dynastystar eredeti hozzászólása:

Gotta look harder.

HOW MUCH HARDER DO I GOTTA LOOK!? :sadpanda: !!! I spent sleepless nights with an erection because all i could see were NTR douijins! I AINT ABOUT THAT LIFE MAN :Nepgear: :berserk:

I dunno, you could try searching under the "milf" tag for the various doujin sites. I don't really know how literally you're taking the definition of "milf", does the story have to have some kind in the picture, or can it just be a hot older woman who could be a mom?

When it comes to the NTR definition, how far are you taking that? Does the guy still have to be in the picture at all(the guy's dead, the guy and woman have already broken up, or are already in the process of breaking up)? Does the guy in the story have to be in the story itself for it to be NTR, or is he just brought up in dialogue for it to be enough for you to take issue with it?

[Galaxies]

dynastystar eredeti hozzászólása:

🌟🍶G A L＠ＸＩＥＳ eredeti hozzászólása:

HOW MUCH HARDER DO I GOTTA LOOK!? !!! I spent sleepless nights with an erection because all i could see were NTR douijins! I AINT ABOUT THAT LIFE MAN

I dunno, you could try searching under the "milf" tag for the various doujin sites. I don't really know how literally you're taking the definition of "milf", does the story have to have some kind in the picture, or can it just be a hot older woman who could be a mom?

When it comes to the NTR definition, how far are you taking that? Does the guy still have to be in the picture at all(the guy's dead, the guy and woman have already broken up, or are already in the process of breaking up)? Does the guy in the story have to be in the story itself for it to be NTR, or is he just brought up in dialogue for it to be enough for you to take issue with it?

Older women are fine, like christmas cakes. Not too young nor too old. Just right. Still....

Every douijin i see the woman is still married or is in some kind of relationship....or even worse....her son's friends have fun with her behind his back....thats messed up bro....thats really messed up

[dynastystar]

🌟🍶G A L＠ＸＩＥＳ eredeti hozzászólása:

dynastystar eredeti hozzászólása:

I dunno, you could try searching under the "milf" tag for the various doujin sites. I don't really know how literally you're taking the definition of "milf", does the story have to have some kind in the picture, or can it just be a hot older woman who could be a mom?

When it comes to the NTR definition, how far are you taking that? Does the guy still have to be in the picture at all(the guy's dead, the guy and woman have already broken up, or are already in the process of breaking up)? Does the guy in the story have to be in the story itself for it to be NTR, or is he just brought up in dialogue for it to be enough for you to take issue with it?

Older women are fine, like christmas cakes. Not too young nor too old. Just right. Still....

Every douijin i see the woman is still married or is in some kind of relationship....or even worse....her son's friends have fun with her behind his back....thats messed up bro....thats really messed up :sadpanda:

off the top of my head, pretty much most doujins with Tsunade in them, This is the first part of a long-running one: https://www.doujins.com/gallery/d838zuua

There's also this one if you don't have any issue with shotacon(does a doujin that has Naruto count as shotacon? I dunno): https://www.doujins.com/gallery/qxhhs8q8#f7pqwwgu

I don't know if you'd consider this one to be "milf": https://www.doujins.com/gallery/kvyypkvw#6tznf5yn

At least those are some that come off the top of my head. If anything, finding doujins that aren't shotacon and/or incest is more restricting than doujins that aren't NTR.

[Galaxies]

dynastystar eredeti hozzászólása:

off the top of my head, pretty much most doujins with Tsunade in them, This is the first part of a long-running one: https://www.doujins.com/gallery/d838zuua

There's also this one if you don't have any issue with shotacon(does a doujin that has Naruto count as shotacon? I dunno): https://www.doujins.com/gallery/qxhhs8q8#f7pqwwgu

I don't know if you'd consider this one to be "milf": https://www.doujins.com/gallery/kvyypkvw#6tznf5yn

At least those are some that come off the top of my head. If anything, finding doujins that aren't shotacon and/or incest is more restricting than doujins that aren't NTR.

T-Thanks bro....I appreciate your help... ........

[Tempestus_L'Cie]

It's just fantasy. Actually I hated NTR like 1 year ago, now i just don't mind together with other " suspicious " genres. But I'm one of the people who can very safely divide real life from fantasy. I would never dare and want to do things like NTR in real life. I have a friends, a good job I'm part of society, but there are secrets I will take to my grave.

[deathjesterxiii]

Asphine Nytrix eredeti hozzászólása:

It's just fantasy. Actually I hated NTR like 1 year ago, now i just don't mind together with other " suspicious " genres. But I'm one of the people who can very safely divide real life from fantasy. I would never dare and want to do things like NTR in real life. I have a friends, a good job I'm part of society, but there are secrets I will take to my grave.

hehehe.. im w u bro :D

[superbadius]

I think this issue is only a problem for Christians (and perhaps Muslims? I don't know).

It's funny that we're allowed to fantasize about killling massive hordes of "bad guys", and that's barely considered pg13.

But if there is sex involved, it's XXX.

Murder all you want. Just don't fornicate. Right?

But then, historically, that has always been the Christian way. Sexually repressed "Christian Soldiers" running around killing each other and half of them dying as virgins.

[Galaxies]

superbadius eredeti hozzászólása:

I think this issue is only a problem for Christians (and perhaps Muslims? I don't know).

It's funny that we're allowed to fantasize about killling massive hordes of "bad guys", and that's barely considered pg13.

But if there is sex involved, it's XXX.

Murder all you want. Just don't fornicate. Right?

But then, historically, that has always been the Christian way. Sexually repressed "Christian Soldiers" running around killing each other and half of them dying as virgins.

[Citation needed]

[Scythia]

🌟🍶G A L＠ＸＩＥＳ eredeti hozzászólása:

superbadius eredeti hozzászólása:

I think this issue is only a problem for Christians (and perhaps Muslims? I don't know).

It's funny that we're allowed to fantasize about killling massive hordes of "bad guys", and that's barely considered pg13.

But if there is sex involved, it's XXX.

Murder all you want. Just don't fornicate. Right?

But then, historically, that has always been the Christian way. Sexually repressed "Christian Soldiers" running around killing each other and half of them dying as virgins.

[Citation needed]

The Bible lists dozens of reasons to kill someone, but says that any kind of sex before marriage is inexcusable (and often a reason to be killed). In the later part the killing is toned down, but the anti-sex message is amped up saying that if you even look at a woman with lust you're an adulterer. In the modern era, how many Christian churches are pacifist? (Next to none) How many stress the importance of virginity/no sex before marriage? (Most of them)

As for the over reaction to sexual content, just look at Steam. A vast majority of the games are about fighting and or killing. They're a-okay. A tiny subset feature sexual content, and they are required to be censored to prevent any nudity, and are now being penalized for offering official de-censoring options.

[Galaxies]

Scythia eredeti hozzászólása:

🌟🍶G A L＠ＸＩＥＳ eredeti hozzászólása:

[Citation needed]

The Bible lists dozens of reasons to kill someone, but says that any kind of sex before marriage is inexcusable (and often a reason to be killed). In the later part the killing is toned down, but the anti-sex message is amped up saying that if you even look at a woman with lust you're an adulterer. In the modern era, how many Christian churches are pacifist? (Next to none) How many stress the importance of virginity/no sex before marriage? (Most of them)

As for the over reaction to sexual content, just look at Steam. A vast majority of the games are about fighting and or killing. They're a-okay. A tiny subset feature sexual content, and they are required to be censored to prevent any nudity, and are now being penalized for offering official de-censoring options.

Can you show me the exact verses in the Bible that explicitly say what you claim they say? I know religion bashing is the popular trend in contemporary times but you could at least show irrefutable evidence.

And what's with comparing murder to disloyalty? Those are two different things. But hey, anything to justify it, right?

[dynastystar]

🌟🍶G A L＠ＸＩＥＳ eredeti hozzászólása:

Scythia eredeti hozzászólása:

The Bible lists dozens of reasons to kill someone, but says that any kind of sex before marriage is inexcusable (and often a reason to be killed). In the later part the killing is toned down, but the anti-sex message is amped up saying that if you even look at a woman with lust you're an adulterer. In the modern era, how many Christian churches are pacifist? (Next to none) How many stress the importance of virginity/no sex before marriage? (Most of them)

As for the over reaction to sexual content, just look at Steam. A vast majority of the games are about fighting and or killing. They're a-okay. A tiny subset feature sexual content, and they are required to be censored to prevent any nudity, and are now being penalized for offering official de-censoring options.

Can you show me the exact verses in the Bible that explicitly say what you claim they say? I know religion bashing is the popular trend in contemporary times but you could at least show irrefutable evidence.

And what's with comparing murder to disloyalty? Those are two different things. But hey, anything to justify it, right? :smug:

taking religion out of the equation, such a topic reminds me of this video(granted, Senran Kagura is no longer banned, but I feel the video's worth watching regardless): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI55CyoPsVU

[Scythia]

🌟🍶G A L＠ＸＩＥＳ eredeti hozzászólása:

Scythia eredeti hozzászólása:

The Bible lists dozens of reasons to kill someone, but says that any kind of sex before marriage is inexcusable (and often a reason to be killed). In the later part the killing is toned down, but the anti-sex message is amped up saying that if you even look at a woman with lust you're an adulterer. In the modern era, how many Christian churches are pacifist? (Next to none) How many stress the importance of virginity/no sex before marriage? (Most of them)

As for the over reaction to sexual content, just look at Steam. A vast majority of the games are about fighting and or killing. They're a-okay. A tiny subset feature sexual content, and they are required to be censored to prevent any nudity, and are now being penalized for offering official de-censoring options.

Can you show me the exact verses in the Bible that explicitly say what you claim they say? I know religion bashing is the popular trend in contemporary times but you could at least show irrefutable evidence.

And what's with comparing murder to disloyalty? Those are two different things. But hey, anything to justify it, right? :smug:

You wanted a citation for a statement pointing out that violence is acceptable while sex is not. That's why murder was being used as an example.

The fact that you know so little about what the bible states is not surprising, few people these days actually read the book and most simply accept whatever they are told is in it. Change that if you wish to discuss the bible and not look silly in doing so. As far as older verses, read Leviticus and Deuteronomy (too much of each of them is relevent to list specific verses). The given pentalty for a majority of infractions is death, and any sex outside marriage (or sex act other than procreative sex) is banned. Deuteronomy 22:13-21 ties the bow nicely by decreeing that a wife found not to be a virgin upon marriage is to be executed. Unapproved sex = bad, violence = answer. As for the later parts, I'll assume you're intelligent enough to have heard the 'turn the other cheek' bit (a statemnt against violence that goes admittedly ignored by many sects today), but the adultery verse I mentioned is Matthew 5:28.

[Galaxies]

Scythia eredeti hozzászólása:

🌟🍶G A L＠ＸＩＥＳ eredeti hozzászólása:

Can you show me the exact verses in the Bible that explicitly say what you claim they say? I know religion bashing is the popular trend in contemporary times but you could at least show irrefutable evidence.

And what's with comparing murder to disloyalty? Those are two different things. But hey, anything to justify it, right?

You wanted a citation for a statement pointing out that violence is acceptable while sex is not. That's why murder was being used as an example.

The fact that you know so little about what the bible states is not surprising, few people these days actually read the book and most simply accept whatever they are told is in it. Change that if you wish to discuss the bible and not look silly in doing so. As far as older verses, read Leviticus and Deuteronomy (too much of each of them is relevent to list specific verses). The given pentalty for a majority of infractions is death, and any sex outside marriage (or sex act other than procreative sex) is banned. Deuteronomy 22:13-21 ties the bow nicely by decreeing that a wife found not to be a virgin upon marriage is to be executed. Unapproved sex = bad, violence = answer. As for the later parts, I'll assume you're intelligent enough to have heard the 'turn the other cheek' bit (a statemnt against violence that goes admittedly ignored by many sects today), but the adultery verse I mentioned is Matthew 5:28.

I never said i was religious myself, and I really could care less about what the Bible says about all of this. And yet, from the way you type, you assumed that i was from the get-go . So what's your motive buddy? It's okay to cheat and be disloyal because an oppressive set of books punished people for it? Is that your point??

[Mauno]

🌟🍶G A L＠ＸＩＥＳ eredeti hozzászólása:

I never said i was religious myself, and I really could care less about what the Bible says about all of this. And yet, from the way you type, you assumed that i was from the get-go :smug:. So what's your motive buddy?

If you didn't care then why did you want to know the exact verse that said so? It easily makes it sound like you'd be religious.

Anyway I'd claim that saying that popularity of NTR is normalizing and making people be ok with it is wrong when the point of it is that people aren't ok with it and that some people are kind of masochistic and enjoy how horrible NTR makes them feel.

Also not sure if you are aware but all good porn sites(such as tsumino, e-hentai/exhentai and nhentai) support exluding tags from search results in some way like adding - before the search term so -netorare or -tag:netorare