Is there even a point to getting armor and HP in this game!?!?

[TripSin]

Can someone please explain to me why, on CT15 expedition runs, when I change from 18k health & 100k armor (with damage absorber mod) to 2k health & 1k armor (no armor mods) IT STILL TAKES THE ENEMIES THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME TO KILL ME???

[dna]

Thats cuz the game has exponential attribute scaling (especially level 40-50) and 100k armor is really not that much (200k is short of 70% physical damage reduction with gear level 50 I think...).

Try to get hit by a Perforo, not by a Boss. You should see a difference there.

[TripSin]

Originally posted by dna:

Thats cuz the game has exponential attribute scaling (especially level 40-50) and 100k armor is really not that much (200k is short of 70% physical damage reduction with gear level 50 I think...).

Try to get hit by a Perforo, not by a Boss. You should see a difference there.

My comparison is already being based on damage from the trash at a start of an expeidition.

What is the point of the gear treadmill if the gear makes no difference!? How does that make any sense in a looter shooter???

[dustin1280]

AC and HP are never worth prioritizing in this game...

You shoud be prioritizing FP or AP and your 2 "perfect attributes"

[TripSin]

Originally posted by dustin1280:

AC and HP are never worth prioritizing in this game...

You shoud be prioritizing FP or AP and your 2 "perfect attributes"

I understand that, but you seem to be missing the point here. My point here is that seemingly armor is almost completely irrelevant and it makes no sense for it to be like that in this kind of game.

I take off all my high level end game armor and replace it with extremely low level trash armor and it makes almost zero difference to my survivability. That makes no sense for a looter shooter game like this where the whole point of the loot treadmill is to progressively get stronger and be able to deal with stronger enemies. If it does make sense, I would love for someone to explain to me how so I could feel less crazy, frustrated, and scammed by this game.

[dustin1280]

Originally posted by TripSin:

Originally posted by dustin1280:

AC and HP are never worth prioritizing in this game...

You shoud be prioritizing FP or AP and your 2 "perfect attributes"

I understand that, but you seem to be missing the point here. My point here is that seemingly armor is almost completely irrelevant and it makes no sense for it to be like that in this kind of game.

I take off all my end game armor and replace it with extremely low level armor and it makes almost 0 difference to my survivability. That makes no sense for a looter shooter game like this where the whole point of the loot treadmill is to progressively get stronger and be able to deal with stronger enemies. If it does make sense, I would love for someone to explain to me how so I could feel less crazy and frustrated with this trash game.

Yeah armor scales badly, no disagreement there. The difference between 50k AC and 70K AC is minimal at best (I want to say 2% or less DR)

[TripSin]

Originally posted by dustin1280:

Originally posted by TripSin:

I understand that, but you seem to be missing the point here. My point here is that seemingly armor is almost completely irrelevant and it makes no sense for it to be like that in this kind of game.

I take off all my end game armor and replace it with extremely low level armor and it makes almost 0 difference to my survivability. That makes no sense for a looter shooter game like this where the whole point of the loot treadmill is to progressively get stronger and be able to deal with stronger enemies. If it does make sense, I would love for someone to explain to me how so I could feel less crazy and frustrated with this trash game.

Yeah armor scales badly, no disagreement there. The difference between 50k AC and 70K AC is minimal at best.

Not even just the difference between 70k and 50k, but, as I said, the difference between 100,000 and 1,000 is seemingly also almost entirely negligible, which is ridiculous.

[Katzh]

and what does hit you?
maybe you need some resistance.

[TripSin]

Originally posted by Katzh:

and what does hit you?
maybe you need some resistance.

I was running expeditions on the left side of the map and just dying to the stuff at the start. Expeditions like chem plant with the sniper and shooters, frontline with the melee guys, and some of the other expeditions with just regular trash at the start.

Like on chem plant, it starts with the sniper. He won't oneshot me regardless of my health being 18k or 2k. At 18k health/100k armor, he'll do like 14k damage or something to me with his shot. When I have 2k health/1k armor, he takes me down to like 800 or something iirc (I'm just estimating from what I can remember, these numbers may be a little off). On the frontline one you're ambushed at the start by a bunch of melee dudes. If I have 18k health/100k armor they need to hit me like 3 times for me to die. I i have 2k health/1k armor they still need to hit me 3 times for me to die. And on like boom town, I know that in either setup, my pristine high level gear or low level trash, with me just W-keying until I die I always die at the same spot regardless in roughly the same amount of time give or take a couple seconds.

Basically, my high end, tailored, max level armors are doing practically nothing for my survivability compared to when I switch it all to level 10 trash.

[Blood Flowers]

Originally posted by TripSin:

I take off all my high level end game armor and replace it with extremely low level trash armor and it makes almost zero difference to my survivability.

I can guarantee armor matters...

CT15 is so much easier to survive when you invest into mods that give some extra armor on top of the amount you have from your level 50 gear. Otherwise, a lot of (undodgeable) attacks will literally one-shot you.

[Dzwiedz24]

Okay, but how? I noticed the difference between having 50k armor and 100k/150k armor at CT15... With 50k armor I got quickly splatted, with 100k I at least had a fighting chance.

[Dan_The_Noob]

you can't possibly get down to 2k health or 1k armor at level 50.

[Ducky]

Originally posted by Dan_The_Noob™:

you can't possibly get down to 2k health or 1k armor at level 50.

Why not? lvl 50 is not player lvl its item lvl max player lvl is 30 and than put on all lvl 1 equip and see your armor and hp

[Trash Panda]

Originally posted by Ducky:

Originally posted by Dan_The_Noob™:

you can't possibly get down to 2k health or 1k armor at level 50.

Why not? lvl 50 is not player lvl its item lvl max player lvl is 30 and than put on all lvl 1 equip and see your armor and hp

because u have default armor/hp that can never go bellow a certain point....you cannot attain 1k hp at level 30. or 1k armor. Its LITERALLY impossible.

[Ruebeus]

Well, first of all, you're lying. As Trash Panda said, the stats you're claiming to have cannot be attained at your level. And also you claim you just stood in the wave of mobs and didnt die. Which, if you were on a CT1, maybe, but no way if you're doing a 15 and dont have ANY defense.

Second, you're flat out wrong. You're not going to become invincible stacking armor/HP, but it definitely makes a difference. But you're looking at the flat value instead of the percentage. The higher your armor gets the less its worth. You're gonna have like 40% reduction at base value and up to 60% before it starts scaling down real hard. Thats about 50k extra armor. But its only a 20% damage reduction.

[Ducky]

Originally posted by Trash Panda:

Originally posted by Ducky:

Why not? lvl 50 is not player lvl its item lvl max player lvl is 30 and than put on all lvl 1 equip and see your armor and hp

because u have default armor/hp that can never go bellow a certain point....you cannot attain 1k hp at level 30. or 1k armor. Its LITERALLY impossible.

When i finished story at i think i was lvl 28 and my gear was same lvl i had like 3,5k hp....you dont think when you use lvl 1 equip you can have 2k than? You know your hp and armor goes up when ilvl get up right? So with ilvl 1 and lvl 30 char i bet it is possible