Fix legendary drops

[diablo09]

Please fix legendary drop rate... I have been doing expeditions on tier 10 (hit tier 11 last night), like over 20 so far, and not one legendary drop. 90% of these were done in gold time frame. Dismissal rate of drops kills interest in playing the game. I also have +20% drop chance for LMG/AR but nothing! Not even proper purple drops for these.

Note: People who are happy with the drops they get excuse this post. This is for us folks who aren't happy with literally 0 legendary drops.

[Homehopper]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Scubus:

Aggreed to korasukage: doin CT15 all the time on gold in a group with friends,..before the "real" patch,..everyone received like 1-3 legendaries each run...since a few days,..sometimes 4, 5 runs without even 1 !! legendary droppiin. And there is a huge difference in doin group and solo play,..own experience: in solo CT15 gold you receive by far more and consistent drop rates than in a group.

Disclaimer: I haven’t played the game for a few days. If there was a stealth nerf to drop rate or whatever then disregard my post. I do plan on playing tonight for a couple hours so for experimental purposes I’ll record what I get and post back here.

[T1]

yep

[CasualitieZ]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Astran:

Let me quote myself once again:

Expedition drop rate description means "legendary cache drop chance", not "legendary item drop chance". Cache tier define amount of the drops, not their rarity. Although more drops may result in more legendary items.

Example: I'm getting one legendary drop (on average) from every "gold" Archways of Enoch CT14 run - despite 20% legendary chance declared.

edit: overall, Outriders loot experience is disappointing. I've ran the game for 60+ hours (two characters leveled) without a single legendary drop outside of quest stuff which was immediately replaced by blues and greens with higher stats.

By the time when you start getting legendaries in mass you are burnt out and don't really need them because you are already running CT14-15 with "gold" result.

TL;DR games need playtesting, not rushed releases.

^ this. World tiers outside of challenge tiers is absolutely useless and i truly think its bugged. The only time i have gotten a legendary outside of expeditions and non quest reward legendaries was on world tier 3 lol. Ive done historian, hunter and bounter all on world tier 15 3 times over in a row back to back and not a single legendary dropped besides the ones given for completing all 10 hunts or whatever, and all 3 pieces of armor from hunter was vest of the cannonball... which ive already gotten 4 of those already.

[diablo09]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Einskaldir:

legendary drop rate is broken and it is because it is pure rng.
This is why you get HYPER DUMBASS here saying its ok and other people saying its crazy.

My experience aside from the garanteed i have had a single legendary drop between me and my son in all the demo and game. It was me on pc he got nothing on ps4. So its 1 legendary for around 100-120 hours of playtime combined.

Pure rng + minimal drop rate is only a thing that a real idiot would think of impleneting as a game mechanic. Since fataly people will have greatly different experience. There are reasons why real developpers implement a catchup mechanic.

Also there is absolutly no reason for lower chances of legendary while leveling.you can get a legendary at lv3 and you will still out level it with greens 1-2 level after. Would just spice the game a bit,

True... I see this myself on my chars! Why a legendary shouldn't drop at lower levels is pure craziness. They should be dropping at every level game, scaled to that level. Making them drop only at higher tiers is purely a farming crap-mechanic.

[diablo09]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von korasukage:

Seeing posts where people are saying that legos drop regularly and in plentiful numbers from T14/15 both makes me a sad panda and a little angry with rngesus.

Whoever says they drop at T14 and T15 have no life outside of farming. Some of us play for pure gaming fun, not farming.

[Homehopper]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von diablo09:

Whoever says they drop at T14 and T15 have no life outside of farming. Some of us play for pure gaming fun, not farming.

Translation: I’m not very good at the game and can’t seem to figure out how to progress therefore anyone who has figured it out must have no life and be a “farmer” 🙄

[Deathfromace]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von rasabt:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Deathfromace:

This is probably the worst take I've ever seen on a game. People that buy a game to play it and finish it don't get the "cool items"...yeah no, that sucks.

i think you are in the wrong gerne.
it's literaly the point of the genre.
you might want to play something like Gears of War (great franchise).
but perhaps you could explain to me what you would do once you got "those cool items"?
do you imagine the game would then turn into some new game? a jump'n run? or an adventure game?

this genre exists for one reason: kill the same s*** over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

try out how you can kill this s*** the fastest/most efficient. then kill some more of the same s***.
once a build is "done"? rince repeat with a new build.

that's the looter genre since Diablo 1 made it popular. It's certainly not for everyone. Some love it (like myself).

One can certainly argue that, unlike most of the campaign, the "endgame" in Outriders is somewhat conveluted. chances of getting legendaries outside of expiditions are nonexistant (only through hunts/expeditions with hefty timeinvestment), why the stat even exists in the World Tier overview is a mystery to many. One can certainly argue that the whole World Tier / Challenge Tier system is a tad conveluted for no reason. One could even argue that the game doesn't explain many things that well.

but one never argues with the RNG-Gods.
Due to the way mods work (tier3) legendaries have to be somewhat "rare". perhaps they are too rare even. as it seems many struggle with T8 to T10 or getting over T10, which is probably down to missing T3 mods and/or sets.

what i certainly call into question is the decision to let the challenge tier loot only drop in expeditions. imho. that was a wrong decision. probably why no other game in the genre did the same. usualy you can farm world-bosses, areas, etc. . this cancer got introduced with D3...and it's exactly that: cancer. it's 1/2 mmo raid loot system, 1/2 Grim Dawn loot grind...and neither half works very well together.

I dont understand most of why you wrote what you wrote as you seem to agree with me.

For the game being made to play the game and then maybe keep grinding the end-game they should have made legendaries a bit more common. I've been playing in T15 for a while now to beat the game and have still not found 1 from an actual drop. As for what I would do...I would use the ones I like and maybe break down the ones I don't for their skill. Having more choice to build my character the way I want while...playing through the game and not just doing the end-game grind a million times to get what I want.

[diablo09]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Homehopper:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von diablo09:

Whoever says they drop at T14 and T15 have no life outside of farming. Some of us play for pure gaming fun, not farming.

Translation: I’m not very good at the game and can’t seem to figure out how to progress therefore anyone who has figured it out must have no life and be a “farmer” 🙄

Translation: I have a life, and play games as games, for fun. Not interested in spending hours farming for something in a game i have paid for.

[Homehopper]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von diablo09:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Homehopper:

Translation: I’m not very good at the game and can’t seem to figure out how to progress therefore anyone who has figured it out must have no life and be a “farmer” 🙄

Translation: I have a life, and play games as games, for fun. Not interested in spending hours farming for something in a game i have paid for.

Sounds like you made a poor purchase. Perhaps a pay to win game where you can buy loot with cash is more your speed? Or you can cheat or do any number of things that don’t completely ruin the game for every other player in the world. Just a thought.

Coincidently I’m married, work full time and have a 7 month old baby. I have under 60 hours played in the game yet still managed to complete the story and work my way into CT15, damn me and my no life grrr *shakes fist*

[Cpaw]

Now if only they would drop outside exped. Awful design of the game.
As solo player under wt 11+ they dont drop. No wonder people uninstall after they are done with the story.

[-eXo- Shakugan]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Erdrick:

On tier 15. You can get 3-4 drops from a single run. Legendaries are pretty easy to get. The problem is getting the right ones.

i have done over 30 T15 runs and only once i got 3 legendary. and at least 25% time i got no legendary at all. Not sure what you have turned on to get 3-4 legendary drops easily

[T.W. Hamill]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Cpaw:

Now if only they would drop outside exped. Awful design of the game.
As solo player under wt 11+ they dont drop. No wonder people uninstall after they are done with the story.

You mean, like, if you repeat the Hunt/Historian/Assassination quests? A 100% drop chance.

[Homehopper]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Homehopper:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Scubus:

Aggreed to korasukage: doin CT15 all the time on gold in a group with friends,..before the "real" patch,..everyone received like 1-3 legendaries each run...since a few days,..sometimes 4, 5 runs without even 1 !! legendary droppiin. And there is a huge difference in doin group and solo play,..own experience: in solo CT15 gold you receive by far more and consistent drop rates than in a group.

Disclaimer: I haven’t played the game for a few days. If there was a stealth nerf to drop rate or whatever then disregard my post. I do plan on playing tonight for a couple hours so for experimental purposes I’ll record what I get and post back here.

I realise this is actually real luck but i just sat down to do these runs to see if it had been stealth nerfed and my very first Chemplant ct14 run this happened...

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2460813837

3 leggos, yall must either be really really unlucky or, uh, i dont even know. Maybe i should start selling runs cause apparently my seeds are god tier? Hahaha.

[SidneyBoo]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Deathfromace:

The issue is legendary drop-rate is to low for playing the game. I am almost done with the game and on the highest tier and have maybe found a legendary that was not something the game gives you. I have no legendary gear...the issue is in the way they message the game. If it's intended to be played and if you don't want to do the "end-game" (as they claim it's not a GAAS) the lack of legendaries is to low for playing through the game and finishing it.

The drop-rate feels needlessly low for a game not meant to be live.

Bro u gotta work ur way up to ct15 to get reliable legendary drops... thats kinda how this game works.. ive gotten 4 on a run and almost always get at least 1 per run

[diablo09]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von SidneyBoo:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Deathfromace:

The issue is legendary drop-rate is to low for playing the game. I am almost done with the game and on the highest tier and have maybe found a legendary that was not something the game gives you. I have no legendary gear...the issue is in the way they message the game. If it's intended to be played and if you don't want to do the "end-game" (as they claim it's not a GAAS) the lack of legendaries is to low for playing through the game and finishing it.

The drop-rate feels needlessly low for a game not meant to be live.

Bro u gotta work ur way up to ct15 to get reliable legendary drops... thats kinda how this game works.. ive gotten 4 on a run and almost always get at least 1 per run

No offense, but if all people have to do is CT15 farming, why have a story in the first place. They need to drop even low level legendary here n there...