Upgrade materials

[Skyinou]

Hi there.

I've seen an awful lot of people saying that the upgrade cost of gear is too high. I don't agree at all, and I wish to understand why people lack materials so much. I feel like I've not been playing the same game...
I've managed to keep my average gear level between 0 and -2 from my max, without doing anything special I believe, and without ever dropping the tier level to farm.
Here's my experience below, what is yours?

I was already gear level 50 before WS.
I had nearly no pod resources or titanium stored up.
I grinded mostly TG from t15 to t30 (killing the last boss only once), with the occasional expeditions in the lower tier to get more pods ressources.
Yet each level, I had almost enough to upgrade my set of 3 legendaries, my 2 other epic pieces of armor and a weapon.
Therefore I only needed to loot 2 other random weapons to gain an average gear level, and an occasional "level" upgrade from a useful drop with an interesting apoc mod enhancing my build somewhat.

[Aether]

The upgrade cost is absolutely crazy.

To fully max gear costs a good bit over 1 million. To fully max armor/3 guns takes over 8 Million, if you don't trade out gear as well along the way.

EDIT: sorry, talking about cargo supply resources

[MeGa]

Originally posted by Sapherno11:

The upgrade cost is absolutely crazy.

To fully max gear costs a good bit over 1 million. To fully max armor/3 guns takes over 8 Million, if you don't trade out gear as well along the way.

EDIT: sorry, talking about cargo supply resources

Yeah, im easily advancing through apocalypse 18-22 and gear level 50-54 or so but I only advance gear level by using newly acquired weapons or replacing legendaries with new ones.

Upgrading a lvl 51 to 52 is 100k drop pod resources but buying it at my max level is like 91k, lol.

Its not impossible but could be a little better balanced

[Smoked Gouda]

drop pod resources are easy. especially if you trade the titanium or which ever the silver rectangle bar is... lol. but higher tier weapon\armor level ups cost alot of anomaly shards which ya dont get quickly without alot of grinding

[Skyinou]

Originally posted by Smoked Gouda:

drop pod resources are easy. especially if you trade the titanium or which ever the silver rectangle bar is... lol. but higher tier weapon\armor level ups cost alot of anomaly shards which ya dont get quickly without alot of grinding

I just reached tier 37 and upgraded all my gear. Cost me 56k anomaly shards. Got 160k left.
And all the previous levels, the max I spent was around half of what I had after reaching a new tier.
My best guess is that I was more unlucky than other people and kept my non-apoc gear longer, so had time to pile some?

[BIG_DADDY_ADAM]

the anomaly shards are the hard part, they super stingy with them.

[Reloaded [ GER ]]

its a grind game....

[Skyinou]

Originally posted by Reloaded:

its a grind game....

That's not the question...
Having to grind to level up and get better gear makes it a grind game, having to drop the tier in order to be able to grind makes it stupid.

[Lord Of War]

Originally posted by Skyinou:

I wish to understand why people lack materials so much.

Let's guess.
1) People don't think/don't plan what and when to upgrade.
Elaborating.
Say, an armour with mods for using skills twice before cooldown, inflicting bleed/toxic/smth and reducing negative effects by 75%. Do I want to update this item every level? No!

Say, gloves with increased leap damage, earthquake damage, gained armour per damaged enemy or a weapon with firestorm, locuststorm, sandstorm... Do I want to keep these bits upgraded? Yes!

2) People just waste resources.
Elaborating.
They find a loot and instantly upgrade it, and then... dismantle it because, you know, literally next run they suddenly found a better loot. (did this myself several times lol )

3) People just love to collect garbage.
Elaborating.
I've seen multiple screenshots and youtube videos where players have no space left in inventory because they just keep all loot! Why? Why keeping it, if you can destroy and bath in gains. Yes, partially because they want specific armour/guns for specific builds, but, c'mon, not like 20-30 pistols/boots/hats :D

I dismantle pretty much every loot I find and this helps me to stay levelled.

[Darth_Angeal]

Originally posted by Lord Of War:

Originally posted by Skyinou:

I wish to understand why people lack materials so much.

Let's guess.
1) People don't think/don't plan what and when to upgrade.
Elaborating.
Say, an armour with mods for using skills twice before cooldown, inflicting bleed/toxic/smth and reducing negative effects by 75%. Do I want to update this item every level? No!

Say, gloves with increased leap damage, earthquake damage, gained armour per damaged enemy or a weapon with firestorm, locuststorm, sandstorm... Do I want to keep these bits upgraded? Yes!

2) People just waste resources.
Elaborating.
They find a loot and instantly upgrade it, and then... dismantle it :lunar2019deadpanpig: because, you know, literally next run they suddenly found a better loot. (did this myself several times lol )

3) People just love to collect garbage.
Elaborating.
I've seen multiple screenshots and youtube videos where players have no space left in inventory because they just keep all loot! Why? Why keeping it, if you can destroy and bath in gains. Yes, partially because they want specific armour/guns for specific builds, but, c'mon, not like 20-30 pistols/boots/hats :D

I dismantle pretty much every loot I find and this helps me to stay levelled.

Exactly what i thought. The most just don´t really know what to do in this game. They rely on builds from better players and upgrade any ♥♥♥♥ permanently instead of playing about the stuff the game is throwing on you.

Not to mention that we won´t need any materials, if we can bath in them. I don´t get looter-games, which throw massive amounts on materials on the player. Why do we even need them? Either let us play for it or let us upgrade for free!

[Skyinou]

Originally posted by Sapherno11:

To fully max gear costs a good bit over 1 million. To fully max armor/3 guns takes over 8 Million[...]

EDIT: sorry, talking about cargo supply resources

What do you mean by "fully max"?

For example:
I just got tier 37. Upgrading my full 8 pieces of gear from 71 to 72 cost me 400k titanium and 1.5M pod resources (+54k anomaly shards). Which I easily had in store.
1 TG run 10/12 rooms gives me around 75k titanium and 250k pods (if selling half the titanium), which means that for those 2 resources I only need 6 runs to max out my gears? In the other hand I need more than 10 runs to level up.
The ratio was a little worse in the lower tier, that's true, but as I said, nothing I had to grind for.

[Skyinou]

Originally posted by Darth_Angeal:

Not to mention that we won´t need any materials, if we can bath in them. I don´t get looter-games, which throw massive amounts on materials on the player. Why do we even need them? Either let us play for it or let us upgrade for free!

I completely agree. I wish they would delete the attribute shards (once high tier, may still be fun low tier); they are now ridiculous xD

[Skyinou]

Originally posted by Lord Of War:

Originally posted by Skyinou:

I wish to understand why people lack materials so much.

Let's guess.
1)[...]

But that's what puzzles me....
1) and 2) I mostly upgraded everything without planning. Often upgrading an item that I replaced the next TG run...
3) True. Though since we are limited with 100 inventory spaces, and that we are going from gear level 50 to 75, and adding apoc mods, I expected everyone to do a big cleaning? That may be where I got more resources! x)

[Akheira]

Originally posted by Lord Of War:

2) People just waste resources.
Elaborating.
They find a loot and instantly upgrade it, and then... dismantle it :lunar2019deadpanpig: because, you know, literally next run they suddenly found a better loot. (did this myself several times lol )

32-35 I got few good pieces, then I just upgrade my gear, and scrap everything...

Originally posted by Skyinou:

What do you mean by "fully max"?

For example:
I just got tier 37. Upgrading my full 8 pieces of gear from 71 to 72 cost me 400k titanium and 1.5M pod ressources (+54k anomaly shards). Which I easily had in store.
1 TG run 10/12 rooms gives me around 75k titanium and 250k pods (if selling half the titanium), which means that for those 2 ressources I only need 6 runs to max out my gears? In the other hand I need more than 10 runs to level up.
The ratio was a little worse in the lower tier, that's true, but as I said, nothing I had to grind for.

Not everybody runs TG, few runs quest map, few runs expedition... and U never get soo many legendaries, DPR and Anomaly extract on these runs...

[Skyinou]

Originally posted by Akheira:

Not everybody runs TG, few runs quest map, few runs expedition... and U never get soo many legendaries, DPR and Anomaly extract on these runs...

True. "Bad game design" luring people away from the most profitable activity is definitely a possibility.

[DutchToast]

well the current patch has remedied this to some extent. less upgrade costs and more material gains. all good.