Crafting is absurd.

[N7_Shadow]

First, get rid of the glitch people are using to make super god-like assault rifles, and other weapons. Yes, it's a glitch with the Earth Born weapons. And once done, correct the godlike weapons that were created by that glitch.

Second, remove the need for the glitch. I hate this crafting system more than words can say. Give us the ability to make powerful equipment without glitching...not god-like...just really competitive stuff.

First, everything is random...EVERYTHING. Why even bother? Why try? It's all about grinding and grinding and grinding, until you eventually get a legendary, or Epic, that has what you want. Sorry, the game is fun, but not so fun that I want to keep doing the same missions over and over, just hoping to get that random drop that works.

Instead, allow me to craft what I want. I don't mind grinding for that. Allow me to set attributes, and BOTH mods...and allow the Legendaries to have 3 mods. This is how it should work. Rare has one mod, and most be a tier 1. Epic can have two, and one most be tier 1, and one can be tier 2. You can run two tier 1. Legendary should be allowed one tier 3...but you could run 1 tier 1, and two tier 2...or 3 tier 1.

You choose the attributes. This would be fun, and would make more builds viable. Trying to tank a character, then you need more healing mods. Going for support...then less healing and more damage...or maybe go heavy on group healing.

As it stands now, almost all the weapons and armor I get, are just flat out disappointing, and I will never waste resources raising the rarity, because it's absurd to waste resource only to have almost no chance of getting the mod you want in the 3 choices.

I am nearly done with the campaign. And honestly, I have zero interest in playing the expeditions. Just more of the same...grinding in hopes of getting a good drop...but you never actually get what you want. The odds of getting the Legendary you want, with the mods you want, with the attributes you want...yeah that's going to take a really long time grinding, or a lot of luck...and that's just one item. What are the odds you can get a matched armor set, if that's what you want...or a matched weapon set, if that's what you want? Not likely. Your interest in the game is likely going to be done, by that point.

[Ducky]

Publicado originalmente por machinech:

Wall of text motivated by someone losing their poo over the idea someone might have gotten something better than them by some means in a PvE co-op game. We REALLY need an anti-karen nosy neighbor vaccine. Don't condone folks glitching and bug abusing, but I also give zero f's at all since it absolutely doesn't effect me. I leave that kind of useless panty twisting up to the studio devs and the people doing it. I can't see any reason aside from unreasonable ego to even get involved. There are a LOT of issues in the game needing attention, I wouldn't rate this high on the list. How about crashes, wipes, connectivity, peer to peer hosting quality, and game breaking bugs first eh?

It will affect you because devs gona nerf and make stuff for the 5% which abuse everything bugs/exploits/glitches the game offers to be a god....then everything get nerfed mobs etc. get buffed and affect everyone and not just the 5%

[pRaX]

This is sad.

[Baron01]

Yes, you absolutely do not need legendary items for most of the content and even at very top-end it is more about tier 3 mods than legendary items themselves. There are very few legendary items that are "perfect" so most people will find good epic base and add tier 3 mod on it. Legendary pieces with good stats can be great as they are the only gear pieces that can have two tier 3 mods but this is definitely not needed anywhere in the game at the moment.

Publicado originalmente por N7_Shadow:

Another issue is the absurdly expensive gear. Why does the cost keep going up exponentially for basically the same gear? What's the point if gear keeps costing 1/4 of your total scrap? No matter how much scrap I save, the gear always cost 1/3 to 1/4 of the total I have...for one frickin piece of gear. Just plain stupid. What's the point of advancing, if it never gets you anywhere?

Gear is only expensive at the start of the grind and it is most likely made like that to prolong the grind. You have near-unlimited resources once you start clearing T13+ expeditions because you can convert drop pod resources to crafting materials and scrap. I now run with 999999 in both scrap and drop pod resources with nothing to spend them on other than occasionally upgrading epic or legendary item.

[Dkail]

According to the achievements, 55% of the players modified over 10 mods, and only 11% ot players upgraded the rarity 15 times or more.
I think those numbers are quite low, because the crafting system is the strong point of this game.
Either players don't need the system, or they don't understand how it works, or they don't need it because they stop playing.
Overall, I didn't need it during campaign (but I kept WT low around 9-10), but it's mandatory for high CT (I'm currently stuck at silver CT14).

Crafting is probably underestimated.

[N7_Shadow]

Publicado originalmente por machinech:

Wall of text motivated by someone losing their poo over the idea someone might have gotten something better than them by some means in a PvE co-op game. We REALLY need an anti-karen nosy neighbor vaccine. Don't condone folks glitching and bug abusing, but I also give zero f's at all since it absolutely doesn't effect me. I leave that kind of useless panty twisting up to the studio devs and the people doing it. I can't see any reason aside from unreasonable ego to even get involved. There are a LOT of issues in the game needing attention, I wouldn't rate this high on the list. How about crashes, wipes, connectivity, peer to peer hosting quality, and game breaking bugs first eh?

Maybe you can pull the stick out of your butt long enough to read AND comprehend what I wrote. My point was that instead of that being the route to get great gear, I would like something other than an RNG heavy system passing itself off as a crafting system. Instead of having to toss 99% of the gear, because there's no way to get the mods and attributes you want, I would rather have more options to craft that gear, and if we had this better crafting system, we wouldn't need to glitch the DLC gear to get great gear. Now, do you understand my point?

I don't actually care if people do it. I would just prefer a better crafting system. Maybe something that sends on missions to get parts that allow a rarity increase, or level ups, or resources to change mods, attributes, etc...

I do agree that the game breaking bugs need fixing first. Not sure the game will hold my interest that long.

[Handbanana]

Its not a glitch. Weapons can spawn with a range of stats. All they are doing is rerolling a specific item to get the max roll. You can do the thing at vendors it would just take longer.

[N7_Shadow]

Publicado originalmente por Dkail:

According to the achievements, 55% of the players modified over 10 mods, and only 11% ot players upgraded the rarity 15 times or more.
I think those numbers are quite low, because the crafting system is the strong point of this game.
Either players don't need the system, or they don't understand how it works, or they don't need it because they stop playing.
Overall, I didn't need it during campaign (but I kept WT low around 9-10), but it's mandatory for high CT (I'm currently stuck at silver CT14).

Crafting is probably underestimated.

I believe those numbers, because most people aren't sticking around for the Expeditions. At that point, the game seems all about the drops and hoping the RNG works out for you, and you get something with good attributes, and at least one mod you want on that weapon. Do you realize with RNG, just how hard that actually is? You may have gotten lucky, but that's what RNG is...luck.

But like me, most people tried to craft things early, only to learn that it's a losing proposition. Huge amounts of resources, for very little return. You raise the level or the rarity, and what do you get for that high cost? The weapons or armor is obsolete very quickly, because you don't get enough resources to keep leveling it as you level. So they stop doing that. And if they don't stick around for a whole lot of expeditions, they just aren't going to get there on those achievements.

I will strongly disagree that the crafting system is the strong point. If all you want from a game is to grind, to get drops, so you can have a very small chance that you will get a piece of gear that you want, with mods you want, with attributes that make sense...such as no long range on a shotgun or pistol...no short range on a sniper rifle...if that's all you want is a system that is really all about the RNG, then yeah, you might think it's a strong point.

Most of us don't want to grind just for drops. To us, that gets old quick. Same thing, over and over, hoping to get something good. Grinding is what games make you do when they lack content.

[N7_Shadow]

Publicado originalmente por Handbanana:

Its not a glitch. Weapons can spawn with a range of stats. All they are doing is rerolling a specific item to get the max roll. You can do the thing at vendors it would just take longer.

The glitch is getting multiple copies of the weapon...using a glitch. There are many videos showing this glitch. Pull the gun out of inbox. Go on expedition and get killed as fast as possible. Log out. Log back in. Viola, a new gun in the inbox.

I may have some of those details wrong, or left out a step. I only watched one of those videos, on time.

[Baron01]

Publicado originalmente por N7_Shadow:

The glitch is getting multiple copies of the weapon...using a glitch. There are many videos showing this glitch. Pull the gun out of inbox. Go on expedition and get killed as fast as possible. Log out. Log back in. Viola, a new gun in the inbox.

I may have some of those details wrong, or left out a step. I only watched one of those videos, on time.

You would still be able to get multiple weapons without the glitch, it would just take more time. You would just have to start a new character, play through initial mission to get to first town and send yourself the weapon. Delete the character, rinse and repeat.

As I said, I got to CT13s with random weapon, cleared CT14s with Inferno Seed with 85k firepower. I decided to see how effective is DLC weapon because one thing I lacked as Technomancer Blighted Rounds build was AOE clear. It took me 17 tries to get weapon with 89k firepower. It took me another 60 attempts to get my current weapon with 94k firepower. I can tell you it was boring as hell, I just played the game normally and once in a while when I started I just got 5 weapons to see if I score something useful. It took me nearly a week to get my current weapon.

Do you need such weapon to clear CT15s? No, I did it with my old Inferno Seed, I did it with a random epic with 87k firepower. It is just another thing to go for when you play this game for 100+ hours and have nothing else to do than to perfect your gear.

There are no leaderboards, no PvP, so being all worked up about someone getting weapon you can not get is pitiful. You could get better gear and improve your character quite a lot if you spend it in the game rather than complaining here.

[dustin1280]

xD at OP, "crafting" is one of the BEST parts about this game. It's easily one of the best "crafting" systems I have seen.
It sounds like you want to take out RNG from and looter shooter that is supposed to have RNG.

On top of that, resources are pretty much infinite once you get to a certain point.

It sounds like a few things.
1. You don't know how to use the crafting system properly (green and blue items are generally the BEST gear in the game)
2. You believe resources are very rare, but in reality (outside of shards MAYBE) resources are plentiful and you pretty much have unlimited.
3. You don't understand how god rolls work in this game, and don't realize how the crafting system (+shops) allows you to get those items in the first place.

If there is anything this game does right, it's the "crafting" system

[Mister Wiggles]

Crafting is only useful as you get into endgame to give you a set to start leveling with. After that its pointless as you're only chasing mods to finish of your collection or make runs more efficient. The game has a stupidly shallow end game, fun but shallow.

[Romeolea]

To the people who are doing High CT's and also in regards to the OP point. Just have a quick question. Do you guys when you start a new character, already know what attributes/build you are going for and then you get low level weapons and just gather it all over time throughout the campaign? Or do you cobble it all together at the end?

[Romeolea]

Publicado originalmente por dustin1280:

xD at OP, "crafting" is one of the BEST parts about this game. It's easily one of the best "crafting" systems I have seen.
It sounds like you want to take out RNG from and looter shooter that is supposed to have RNG.

On top of that, resources are pretty much infinite once you get to a certain point.

It sounds like a few things.
1. You don't know how to use the crafting system properly (green and blue items are generally the BEST gear in the game)
2. You believe resources are very rare, but in reality (outside of shards MAYBE) resources are plentiful and you pretty much have unlimited.
3. You don't understand how god rolls work in this game, and don't realize how the crafting system (+shops) allows you to get those items in the first place.

If there is anything this game does right, it's the "crafting" system

If you don't mind can you explain more of this. Doesn't have to be in depth but like you mention the crafting system and how it works, can you elaborate?

Why are the green/blues the best in the game?

[drogon1]

"Super god-like" the Earthborn AR? Even re-rolling it? Hardly. You can RNG a better AR for your particular build. Crafting is not random; it's the loot that's random. You can level a piece of RNG loot if you like it, or strip it of its mod to put on the weapon of your choice. This game has a good crafting system.

[BuddyGuy]

Publicado originalmente por N7_Shadow:

Publicado originalmente por Handbanana:

Its not a glitch. Weapons can spawn with a range of stats. All they are doing is rerolling a specific item to get the max roll. You can do the thing at vendors it would just take longer.

The glitch is getting multiple copies of the weapon...using a glitch. There are many videos showing this glitch. Pull the gun out of inbox. Go on expedition and get killed as fast as possible. Log out. Log back in. Viola, a new gun in the inbox.

I may have some of those details wrong, or left out a step. I only watched one of those videos, on time.

yeah. I hate loading screens. That sounds like a lot of loading screens to sit through