Once and for all: will the single player be playable OFFLINE or not ?

[Strelok]

I've made a topic about this a few months ago, but back then there was a lot of contradictory information.

I think this game looks really promising and shows a lot of potential.

The only deal breaker that would make me skip it entirely would be the requirement of a persistent online connection to play the single player.

Any new information related to this ? Will the single player in this game be playable without an internet connection once its activated and fully up to date or not ? Was there any official statement in the mean time ?

EDIT: I've already checked the F.A.Q on their official website and there's no information as to the game being "always online" or not. Is there something I'm missing ?

They only state that it's not a live service game which gives me hope of an offline mode.

[REM 🔋]

Първоначално публикувано от Gis:

People saying Outriders servers will be shut down in 5 years is no different from saying steam could shut down in 5 years you f moron.

I don't know why I'm wasting time talking to a . I'm losing brain cells talking to you.

Steam can shutdown whenever (not gonna happen) and I'll still be able to play most of my Steam games offline just fine. Steam said in such a circumstance they'd remove all DRM and you'd have a set amount of time to DL your games. Guess what I already have on 3 different HDD's? <----- Rhetorical question

I guessed you missed the memo that it's legal to make a backup of every game you own.

This game (OUTRIDERS), I can NEVER play offline.
This is obviously too difficult for you to understand, though.

[Gisborne]

Първоначално публикувано от lantern48 🔋:

Първоначално публикувано от Gis:

People saying Outriders servers will be shut down in 5 years is no different from saying steam could shut down in 5 years you f moron.

I don't know why I'm wasting time talking to a :goofy::captainclown:. I'm losing brain cells talking to you.

Steam can shutdown whenever (not gonna happen) and I'll still be able to play most of my Steam games offline just fine. Steam said in such a circumstance they'd remove all DRM and you'd have a set amount of time to DL your games. Guess what I already have on 3 different HDD's? <----- Rhetorical question

I guessed you missed the memo that it's legal to make a backup of every game you own.

This game (OUTRIDERS), I can NEVER play offline.
This is obviously too difficult for you to understand, though.


:BL3Shrug:

"Steam said in such a circumstance they'd remove all DRM and you'd have a set amount of time to DL your games."

This is my point u f c. Outriders is only online to stop cheating from scrubs like you wanting offline mode. if the servers did shut down they can easily make the game offline mode. tramp.

And good luck backing up hundreds of steam games on HDD's that can corrupt and wipe themselves.

[Setorrs The Lollygagger]

Първоначално публикувано от Gis:

Първоначално публикувано от lantern48 🔋:

I don't know why I'm wasting time talking to a :goofy::captainclown:. I'm losing brain cells talking to you.

Steam can shutdown whenever (not gonna happen) and I'll still be able to play most of my Steam games offline just fine. Steam said in such a circumstance they'd remove all DRM and you'd have a set amount of time to DL your games. Guess what I already have on 3 different HDD's? <----- Rhetorical question

I guessed you missed the memo that it's legal to make a backup of every game you own.

This game (OUTRIDERS), I can NEVER play offline.
This is obviously too difficult for you to understand, though.


:BL3Shrug:

"Steam said in such a circumstance they'd remove all DRM and you'd have a set amount of time to DL your games."

This is my point u f c. Outriders is only online to stop cheating from scrubs like you wanting offline mode. if the servers did shut down they can easily make the game offline mode. tramp.

And good luck backing up hundreds of steam games on HDD's that can corrupt and wipe themselves.

Think about it. Why would they care about cheating in a PVE single player game that has OPTIONAL co-op? Because they will implement microtransactions into the game after the reviews come out and it will not get bad attention from the press since most of the reviews would have been out for months.

[REM 🔋]

Първоначално публикувано от Gis:

This is my point u f c. Outriders is only online to stop cheating from scrubs like you wanting offline mode.

This isn't a multiplayer -vs- game you donut. And now you're saying people want offline mode in a singleplayer and co-op game so they can cheat?

What is wrong with you???

Първоначално публикувано от Gis:

And good luck backing up hundreds of steam games on HDD's that can corrupt and wipe themselves.

Good luck doing something I've done already as said on 3 different HDD's?

Man, you really can't read. Reading is hard. For you, anyway.
If you spent any money on an education, get a refund.

[REM 🔋]

Първоначално публикувано от Setorrs The Lollygagger:

Think about it.

You're asking the impossible from him.

[Gisborne]

Първоначално публикувано от lantern48 🔋:

Първоначално публикувано от Gis:

This is my point u f c. Outriders is only online to stop cheating from scrubs like you wanting offline mode.

This isn't a multiplayer -vs- game you donut. And now you're saying people want offline mode in a singleplayer and co-op game so they can cheat?

What is wrong with you???

Първоначално публикувано от Gis:

And good luck backing up hundreds of steam games on HDD's that can corrupt and wipe themselves.

Good luck doing something I've done already as said on 3 different HDD's?

Man, you really can't read. Reading is hard. For you, anyway.
If you spent any money on an education, get a refund.

All you can do is make false comment, illogical reasons and insult me thinking you will somehow get a rise out of me lol? I feel sorry for you. look i got it you're a young teen gamer worried about what your generation has doen to gaming, outriders will only get expansions and DLC is it does well. If they start to sell costumes or cosmetics i don;t care i prob will not buy them, but if that allows the game to thrive and continue development for years more then so be it.

You just sound like a screaming teenage raged who can;t think properly. the price it would cost me to buy enough HDD's to back up every game i own would cost more than rebuying them in 10 years time anyway.

Use your brain child. it's people like you who cheat in coop games for kicks.

p.s sorry i just looked at your steam profile and geological location. Sorry didn't realise you were disabled. My apologies...

[REM 🔋]

Първоначално публикувано от Gis:

look i got it you're a young teen gamer

I'm 45-years-old. Every time you open your mouth, you're wrong. That should be a clue you're not as smart as you think you are.

Първоначално публикувано от Gis:

your generation has doen to gaming,

What? You can't even use words right.

And my generation started video games from the beginning. In the 1970s.

Just stop.
You're embarrassing.

[UncertainZero]

Първоначално публикувано от lantern48 🔋:

Steam can shutdown whenever (not gonna happen) and I'll still be able to play most of my Steam games offline just fine. Steam said in such a circumstance they'd remove all DRM and you'd have a set amount of time to DL your games. Guess what I already have on 3 different HDD's? <----- Rhetorical question

It's important to note that Valve can only disable / remove the Steam DRM. Many developers use 3rd party DRM which would remain unless each developer specifically removes it. If those DRM systems go down, you've lost those games anyway.

[REM 🔋]

Първоначално публикувано от UncertainZero:

Първоначално публикувано от lantern48 🔋:

Steam can shutdown whenever (not gonna happen) and I'll still be able to play most of my Steam games offline just fine. Steam said in such a circumstance they'd remove all DRM and you'd have a set amount of time to DL your games. Guess what I already have on 3 different HDD's? <----- Rhetorical question

It's important to note that Valve can only disable / remove the Steam DRM. Many developers use 3rd party DRM which would remain unless each developer specifically removes it. If those DRM systems go down, you've lost those games anyway.

Actually, that's not quite accurate. Sure some would have no workaround, but the vast majority have a very small file -- an .exe -- that is an easy fix.

It's always good to be prepared. Momma ain't raise no fool and this isn't my first rodeo. I've probably been gaming for longer than you've been alive.

I'm more than ready for whatever.

[UncertainZero]

Първоначално публикувано от lantern48 🔋:

Actually, that's not quite accurate. Sure some would have no workaround, but the vast majority have a very small file -- an .exe -- that is an easy fix.

If your resorting to cracking and piracy anyway, then you've wasted your time backing up your steam downloads.

[REM 🔋]

Първоначално публикувано от UncertainZero:

Първоначално публикувано от lantern48 🔋:

Actually, that's not quite accurate. Sure some would have no workaround, but the vast majority have a very small file -- an .exe -- that is an easy fix.

If your resorting to cracking and piracy anyway, then you've wasted your time backing up your steam downloads.

I don't think you understand. I'm not pirating anything. I'm making sure the thousands of legally bought games I own -- over 3,000 here on Steam alone -- and thousands of others in physical media and across digital platforms are always available to me.

Pirating a game is stealing it without paying for it. I've bought EVERYTHING in my massive collection, legally.

[Niekum]

Първоначално публикувано от SE Toby:

As it's relevant to the discussion...

My post will be composed of criticism. Don't take it personally. I tried the demo and despite certain flaws (it's my personal taste) I think both dev/publisher will take lot of sh1t for "always online" feature.

Първоначално публикувано от SE Toby:

Regarding sunsetting the game or shutting down servers, I feel the risk of this is extremely minimal. The backend infrastructure of the game is managed by Square Enix as the publisher, and it is hosted by robust mainstream providers.

There is still risk. Regardless of how small it is, it exists. At some point when the game is not profitable anymore it will perish. It makes no sense to pump money into something that does not generate stream of money. Business is business. There is no charity.

Първоначално публикувано от SE Toby:

Outriders is not a live service game, does not have the same running costs as a live service game, and it will never require the FFXIV relaunch treatment, but I mention FFXIV here as an example of our company's commitment to not letting fans and customers down.

It does not have to be a live service. People do not want to be forced to stay online. PERIOD.
Whether isn't divine intervention, bad luck, temporary infrastructure failure, maintenance, my ISP failure or my hardware failure it means one thing: NO GAME AT ALL.
Look at how many point can the gameplay process be made impossible. It all comes down to one factor - online reliability and it only needs to fail at one point to cut you off.

Last night I wanted to play Anthem and Ghost Recon Breakpoint. I didn't. Why? Both games rely on internet connection and MS had problem with their infrastructure. I could not even log in to my Xbox Gamertag to download something else. I was left with a few game I had on the disk. That is the prime example of "always online" dependency.
It is another layer you might be worried about if you want to play.
I do not remember that several years ago when I was playing Medal of Honor, Call of Duty + United Offensive, Call of Duty 2 (just examples). If master server failed, you still had a server browser and many dedicated servers left to play. NO PROBLEMS.

Another thing is: some people lied about the game and its functionality. That is a sad fact.

I put 3,5 hours into the demo yesterday (before MS had a failure). I played the game and it has potential. One thing that puts me off is 30 fps on Xbox One X. Come on Gears 4 & 5 run smoothly on that console and Outriders can't. I could live with that as the game will run much better on XSX, but I realised I need a connection to play that. Remembering MS services failure, a couple of ISP failures I had recently + fact that my WiFi is not stable (and I have no other solution) my choice changed from "Yes" to "Never". It's just not worth it. I do not want another entry in my library that depends on constant connection. Not after Athem what EA will kill sooner or in a moment, not after GR Breakpoint being inaccessible. Not after realising State of Decay 2 is a live service. I didn't buy both The Division games (and I put 20 hours into both games on my alternate Xbox account) even though I consider them to be excellent game, but flawed to the point where I said "No, not with always online requirement".

How come other games work offline? Even Call of Duty has Offline MP against Bots!!!

NO Way. NO purchase.
I deleted the game from my Xbox wishlist and did the same with Steam account.

Good luck. Game has potential and shooting is fun. Tons of challenges ensure replayability and World level is a great feature.

Please don't take it personally, I am just very disappointed as I had high hopes for the game.

[Dragonbait]

I'm glad single player is online only, as soon as it has offline mode the game data has to be client side which means easy hacks/cheats which ruins the game.

[REM 🔋]

Първоначално публикувано от Dragonbait:

I'm glad single player is online only, as soon as it has offline mode the game data has to be client side which means easy hacks/cheats which ruins the game.

So you'd ruin the game for yourself? You can't trust yourself to play offline singleplayer without cheating?

That sounds like a personal problem. Don't stick that on everyone else.

[CrewsAider]

yeah, that's a hard pass from me...good luck marketing this game.
Sick of games as a service.