Broly is now Canon

[Kai]

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-07-09/dragon-ball-super-film-reveals-dragon-ball-super-broly-title-visual/.133123

[Govalon]

Dokainin님이 먼저 게시:

WasabiPanda님이 먼저 게시:

so he wasn't canon for movie 8 and movie 10 but now is canon for movie 20..by that logic Gou fought Beerus,forgot he fought beerus so he could fight him again in movie 18, then Freeza resurrected, died and resurrected again cause everyone forgot in movie 19.

kay

Battle of Gods, Res F and this new Broly movie are written by Toriyama and acknowledged by him the series creator as part of the series continuity, this is what makes something "canon" if you consider the meaning of the term. The DBZ movies are side stories that exist within their own isolated continuity bubbles that have no meaning in regards to the series continuity.

Okay, lets assume the movies are canon. Which version of the frieza fight is the true fight, movie or tv-series? They can't possible be part of the same continuity. How would that even work?

[Kai]

Govalon님이 먼저 게시:

Dokainin님이 먼저 게시:

Battle of Gods, Res F and this new Broly movie are written by Toriyama and acknowledged by him the series creator as part of the series continuity, this is what makes something "canon" if you consider the meaning of the term. The DBZ movies are side stories that exist within their own isolated continuity bubbles that have no meaning in regards to the series continuity.

Okay, lets assume the movies are canon. Which version of the frieza fight is the true fight, movie or tv-series? They can't possible be part of the same continuity. How would that even work?

The current trend in Anime is, movies are made, if it sells well, they canon it into the anime, if the manga has not already reached that plot yet. Or the other way around.

Why we know that this Broly is canon is because thats what DBS super has been doing since Battle of Gods. Reveal a movie and put it into anime with some changes if its successful. They arent gonna reintroduce Broly just to keep him in the movies, thatd be stupid.

Same way with Boruto. The movie was made before the manga started, then they cannon it in the manga with some changes. And the anime has just reached that plot, following the manga, not the movie.

Its messed up, but we know Broly is gonna be the plot for the next anime.

[『 Malv 』]

Kai님이 먼저 게시:

Govalon님이 먼저 게시:

Okay, lets assume the movies are canon. Which version of the frieza fight is the true fight, movie or tv-series? They can't possible be part of the same continuity. How would that even work?

The current trend in Anime is, movies are made, if it sells well, they canon it into the anime, if the manga has not already reached that plot yet. Or the other way around.

Why we know that this Broly is canon is because thats what DBS super has been doing since Battle of Gods. Reveal a movie and put it into anime with some changes if its successful. They arent gonna reintroduce Broly just to keep him in the movies, thatd be stupid.

Same way with Boruto. The movie was made before the manga started, then they cannon it in the manga with some changes. And the anime has just reached that plot, following the manga, not the movie.

Its messed up, but we know Broly is gonna be the plot for the next anime.

I think he was asking about the small differences between movie/anime. For example Piccolo didn't die in the Res F movie, but died and was wished back in the anime. Which is canon? I don't think it really matters though because we know that even if the anime differs from the movies that in the broad scheme of things, this new Broly will be canon.

[Kai]

Malv님이 먼저 게시:

Kai님이 먼저 게시:

The current trend in Anime is, movies are made, if it sells well, they canon it into the anime, if the manga has not already reached that plot yet. Or the other way around.

Why we know that this Broly is canon is because thats what DBS super has been doing since Battle of Gods. Reveal a movie and put it into anime with some changes if its successful. They arent gonna reintroduce Broly just to keep him in the movies, thatd be stupid.

Same way with Boruto. The movie was made before the manga started, then they cannon it in the manga with some changes. And the anime has just reached that plot, following the manga, not the movie.

Its messed up, but we know Broly is gonna be the plot for the next anime.

I think he was asking about the small differences between movie/anime. For example Piccolo didn't die in the Res F movie, but died and was wished back in the anime. Which is canon? I don't think it really matters though because we know that even if the anime differs from the movies that in the broad scheme of things, this new Broly will be canon.

Canon in anime is a very lose term. There is the manga, then anime, fillers, OVA, and the movies. If you only consider the original manga written by the creator to be Canon, thats what seems to be the most popular mentality, then just stick to the anime, thats the only plot you should follow, because thats what and how things actually happened according to the author.

How i handle these is that if youre familiar with multiverse theory or read the DC Flashpoint, since Trunks went back and forth in time so many times, created multiple timelines. The older Broly and other movies mightve happened in the previous timeline, but it was changed. Same way, GT may or may not happen.

[Epic Gnest]

Let's not use the word canon because you know Geekdom101 if you know his Youtube channel.

[Providence 777]

There was no reason for Broly to "not" be cannon anyway, because unlike the other movies, he fits perfectly in the timeline, as does Cooler.

Cooler Movie 1 would take place after Trunks kills Frieza.
Cooler Movie 2 and Broly Movie 1 would both take place during the 10 day wait for the Cell games.

[Apathy]

Dragonball has a multiverse so Broly was always canon and GT is still canon. They're not canon to the main timeline, but they are canon. Half the nerds talking about what is and isn't canon don't even know what canon means. The movies, GT, and other things are canon. DB Zero: Raditz is non-canon despite me wanting it to be canon.

[DRC The Gamer]

My god, DBZ ended over 30 years ago and people still care about canon? Toriyama can't write worth ♥♥♥♥ anyways. I will never understand why canon is taken so seriously. I mean, does it have to be canon for you to like it? Canon is what the creator (Akira Toriyama) wrote.

That's it! Nothing more or less. It's nice to know the main story of course, but that doesn't mean we can't explore past that. It's nice to use imagination in that aspect. It's all dragon ball in the end. Just be glad you have anything to watch at all.

Not to mention, with how bad Dragon Ball Super is with its ♥♥♥♥ writing, I'm suprised anyone still takes what Toriyama says seriously at all. He copied a character off of Winnie the Pooh, and don't even try to tell that isn't bad writing.

Conclusion, super has ruined canon and I think it's safe to say it's non existent, end of story.

[Rutabaga]

Providence 777님이 먼저 게시:

There was no reason for Broly to "not" be cannon anyway, because unlike the other movies, he fits perfectly in the timeline, as does Cooler.

Cooler Movie 1 would take place after Trunks kills Frieza.
Cooler Movie 2 and Broly Movie 1 would both take place during the 10 day wait for the Cell games.

Whilst you could place the first Broly movie into the 10 day wait for the Cell games (Return of Cooler could only happen if the Android Crisis didn't happen), it still couldn't have happened. Simply put, it has too many inconsistencies with the everything in the Cell saga coming up to that point and would cause notable problems if you then put the Cell games right after the events of Broly's movie. In other words, Broly's movies really could only happen if the Cell Games didn't happen.

[Providence 777]

Shade/Abhor님이 먼저 게시:

Providence 777님이 먼저 게시:

There was no reason for Broly to "not" be cannon anyway, because unlike the other movies, he fits perfectly in the timeline, as does Cooler.

Cooler Movie 1 would take place after Trunks kills Frieza.
Cooler Movie 2 and Broly Movie 1 would both take place during the 10 day wait for the Cell games.

Whilst you could place the first Broly movie into the 10 day wait for the Cell games (Return of Cooler could only happen if the Android Crisis didn't happen), it still couldn't have happened. Simply put, it has too many inconsistencies with the everything in the Cell saga coming up to that point and would cause notable problems if you then put the Cell games right after the events of Broly's movie. In other words, Broly's movies really could only happen if the Cell Games didn't happen.

Such as?

And I don't see why the return of cooler requires the andriod crisis to never happen, it seems that it would take place as soon as Goku recovered from the heart virus, before he takes Gohan into the room of time for training.

[The Grimm Reefer]

DRC The Gamer님이 먼저 게시:

It's all dragon ball in the end. Just be glad you have anything to watch at all.

Give this man a cookie and end the thread. He gets it.

[DRC The Gamer]

Grim Reefer님이 먼저 게시:

DRC The Gamer님이 먼저 게시:

It's all dragon ball in the end. Just be glad you have anything to watch at all.

Give this man a cookie and end the thread. He gets it.

Thank you, I dont understand why people defend super or toriyama's writing. It's not even worthy of discussion. Canon doesn't automatically mean the content is good or should be accepted. GT made way more sense then super. It at least tried to be creative and gave DBZ the most realistic ending it could have had.

[Rutabaga]

Providence 777님이 먼저 게시:

Shade/Abhor님이 먼저 게시:

Whilst you could place the first Broly movie into the 10 day wait for the Cell games (Return of Cooler could only happen if the Android Crisis didn't happen), it still couldn't have happened. Simply put, it has too many inconsistencies with the everything in the Cell saga coming up to that point and would cause notable problems if you then put the Cell games right after the events of Broly's movie. In other words, Broly's movies really could only happen if the Cell Games didn't happen.

Such as?

And I don't see why the return of cooler requires the andriod crisis to never happen, it seems that it would take place as soon as Goku recovered from the heart virus, before he takes Gohan into the room of time for training.

Keep in mind who requested Goku (and friends) to go to New Namek to save the Namekians, it was Dende who was on Earth learning to become its Guardian. In the main series Goku went and "recruited" Dende after he (and Gohan) left the Time Chamber. The fact that Gohan has yet to acquire Super Saiyan and still appears as his younger self entirely suggests that for whatever reason, they didn't go into the Time Chamber. Really this can only mean one thing, which is that the Androids and Cell were dealt with before they would need to enter the Time Chamber. You could also bring up that Trunks is completely missing (which suggests he went back home) and Vegeta doesn't seem to be able to become "Super" Vegeta.

Essentially this means that in this timeline, the Android threat had to have been swiftly dealt with by Piccolo after fusing with Kami. So in other words, the Android Crisis didn't really happen.

[Black Oozaru]

Dokainin님이 먼저 게시:

except he isnt. Toriyama is simply using the name and concept to create an entirely new character. The original movie character is still side story hot steaming garbage with no relevance to the source material.

the original source is a steaming garbage, toriyama doesnt gives a danm for this franchise, he is the sloppies creator ever, if he had half of the love for this franchise that the fans does dragonball would domain the world, he works for money and on pressure because no one will accept a dragonball that is not his creation, all this blue bs and god whatever are just stupid, i play the game because its really god, but team four stars has a better show than toriyama ever had.

[Dokainin]

mibr | strikestrikestrike님이 먼저 게시:

Dokainin님이 먼저 게시:

except he isnt. Toriyama is simply using the name and concept to create an entirely new character. The original movie character is still side story hot steaming garbage with no relevance to the source material.

the original source is a steaming garbage, toriyama doesnt gives a danm for this franchise, he is the sloppies creator ever, if he had half of the love for this franchise that the fans does dragonball would domain the world, he works for money and on pressure because no one will accept a dragonball that is not his creation, all this blue bs and god whatever are just stupid, i play the game because its really god, but team four stars has a better show than toriyama ever had.

I could correct you, but it would be pointless as I've learned that the uninformed ignorance bred from internet pack mentality is hard for people like you to grow past and its not worth my time trying to elicit that growth. So with that said.

Aww look at you.