Should I give in to the actually good characters?

[StringKiller]

Hello guys,

I've never thought that fighting games were good only if you win but in DBFZ when you reach a certain level (ss3 ranked, pink square) it seems that if your team has flaws it is basically impossible to win. It's just frustrating to see that if the other team has cell, kid buu, goku black... he will just be better.

My old team was 21 (really powerful indeed), goku ssj (good assist, easy to use) and broly (I don't know how I beat people using broly, if you know what he can do he sucks). With this team I could do a good job against full high tier teams since I had goku, but even with that team it felt like goku black did all that goku did but better since zoning is not a really good tool here (I hate goku black as a character).

Now with vegito out I switched goku with vegito because goku felt boring and vegito to me is very fun. My team has the three players I consider most fun in this game, 21 because she has a great neutral without hard knockdowns wich keeps the game really flowing without constant oki, vegito who has a really unique kit with a lot of crazy ♥♥♥♥ and broly who feels so satisfying to me to land any hit with XD. The problem is I lack any good lockdown assist since I hate every character with lock down assist and that stuff seems to be what wins game if you are not a pro level player.

It is begining to be discouraging to play this game because 90% of my games are vs cell, kid buu and something else even though I only play casual now since this issue is even bigger in ranked. Should I give in and use these characters? or just move to blaz blue to see if they've done a better job with the balance?

[Pachislot Rockman Ability]

If you want to continue playing this game you pretty much have to make a meta team and learn them well. Unlike other games this one is so easy to control that everyone can use the broken things that make top tiers overpowered.

If playing nothing but the same cookie cutter meta teams isn't for you, it may be time to move on.

[Spicy Crab]

You shouldn't fall to the dark side, but I belive you need to have at least one good assist to have a working team since it's Marvel style of fighting.

[StringKiller]

It is likely then that I'll move on if these kind of stuff isn't adressed. Until then though I'll try to keep playing with characters I actually enjoy.

[ShinigamiXII]

Oprindeligt skrevet af A flock of bats:

If you want to continue playing this game you pretty much have to make a meta team and learn them well. Unlike other games this one is so easy to control that everyone can use the broken things that make top tiers overpowered.

If playing nothing but the same cookie cutter meta teams isn't for you, it may be time to move on.

Don't listen to this guy. Play what you want. I'm at 600,000 BP and I've been using non-meta teams since the begining of the game. Broly, ssgss goku/vegeta, Hit, T gohan, piccolo, 18 ect. Play what you want to play and find ways to make it work. Not every team is going to be the same combo extender you see most people use. Instead maybe you'll use it for pressure or something else. Get creative.

[NorseiTenshi]

Oprindeligt skrevet af ShinigamiXII:

Oprindeligt skrevet af A flock of bats:

If you want to continue playing this game you pretty much have to make a meta team and learn them well. Unlike other games this one is so easy to control that everyone can use the broken things that make top tiers overpowered.

If playing nothing but the same cookie cutter meta teams isn't for you, it may be time to move on.

Don't listen to this guy. Play what you want. I'm at 600,000 BP and I've been using non-meta teams since the begining of the game. Broly, ssgss goku/vegeta, Hit, T gohan, piccolo, 18 ect. Play what you want to play and find ways to make it work. Not every team is going to be the same combo extender you see most people use. Instead maybe you'll use it for pressure or something else. Get creative.

i approve listen to this guy

[StringKiller]

Oprindeligt skrevet af ShinigamiXII:

Oprindeligt skrevet af A flock of bats:

If you want to continue playing this game you pretty much have to make a meta team and learn them well. Unlike other games this one is so easy to control that everyone can use the broken things that make top tiers overpowered.

If playing nothing but the same cookie cutter meta teams isn't for you, it may be time to move on.

Don't listen to this guy. Play what you want. I'm at 600,000 BP and I've been using non-meta teams since the begining of the game. Broly, ssgss goku/vegeta, Hit, T gohan, piccolo, 18 ect. Play what you want to play and find ways to make it work. Not every team is going to be the same combo extender you see most people use. Instead maybe you'll use it for pressure or something else. Get creative.

First, thanks for the words of encouragement :D.

The problem is my defense is not as tight to defend the mixups that assists like kid buu, vegeta or any beam assist provide (or yamcha! XD, or cell who basically has everything). Back when I did that stuff with goku ssj It felt way more even but it seems that if you don't have access to at least one of those tools (lockdown assist) you really have to have a really amazing defense in order to be able to have time to score some confirms since the oponent's pressure will always be better.

It's likely that I end up giving up on Broly but it really sucks since I love the character and I found really cool tricks with the line up I have (even an on the ground oki from 21's ground throw), but the fact that broly can be beaten by mashing vanish or having a dp its really annoying.

[OhhYuu]

You could try watching some replays on the replay channel, those might give you some ideas with non-meta teams vs meta

[ShinigamiXII]

Oprindeligt skrevet af StringKiller:

Oprindeligt skrevet af ShinigamiXII:

Don't listen to this guy. Play what you want. I'm at 600,000 BP and I've been using non-meta teams since the begining of the game. Broly, ssgss goku/vegeta, Hit, T gohan, piccolo, 18 ect. Play what you want to play and find ways to make it work. Not every team is going to be the same combo extender you see most people use. Instead maybe you'll use it for pressure or something else. Get creative.

First, thanks for the words of encouragement :D.

The problem is my defense is not as tight to defend the mixups that assists like kid buu, vegeta or any beam assist provide (or yamcha! XD, or cell who basically has everything). Back when I did that stuff with goku ssj It felt way more even but it seems that if you don't have access to at least one of those tools (lockdown assist) you really have to have a really amazing defense in order to be able to have time to score some confirms since the oponent's pressure will always be better.

It's likely that I end up giving up on Broly but it really sucks since I love the character and I found really cool tricks with the line up I have (even an on the ground oki from 21's ground throw), but the fact that broly can be beaten by mashing vanish or having a dp its really annoying.

Well if you want some training with Broly or whatever; add me.

Defense is universal for all characters so it shouldn't be too bad. You still have reflect, backdashing, vanish and of course blocking. Once you have thousands of games like I do, you'll get used to patterns and it'll get easier. Knowing what is punishable and safe on block help a lot as well.

Broly you gotta be good at reading IMO. You can play around with your opponent quite well. You can do command throws randomly and not just at the end of combos (like a lot of people seem to do). Instead of the expected grab you can do his charge and vanish on block if you mess up. Assist usage during unsafe moves like overheads or charging help too. Getting someone in the corner as Broly is most likely what your main objective is.
You can also barrier and charge your ki while they panic throwing beams at you then come at you flying..and that's when you hit em with a 2H

Every character has its ideal playstyle but you can find new ways to make them work.

[StringKiller]

Oprindeligt skrevet af ShinigamiXII:

Broly you gotta be good at reading IMO. You can play around with your opponent quite well. You can do command throws randomly and not just at the end of combos (like a lot of people seem to do). Instead of the expected grab you can do his charge and vanish on block if you mess up. Assist usage during unsafe moves like overheads or charging help too. Getting someone in the corner as Broly is most likely what your main objective is.
You can also barrier and charge your ki while they panic throwing beams at you then come at you flying..and that's when you hit em with a 2H

I love to mess people up using barrier! With blockstrings though I find it a little weird. I tend to never try to throw at the end of a string (always somewhere in the middle) but it seems to me that there's a gap whenever you use H (without charge), 236S or any command throw, and if they vanish at any of those points except for H, which is not safe on block, they get a full combo due to armor.

Have you found any workaround so you can end a blockstring fully safely without using assists (ending in 236L + assists seems to throw a lot of people off and it is safe)? If not I guess you have to play defensive as hell unless you have assists and always cover the gaps.

Thanks a bunch for the tips!

[ShinigamiXII]

Oprindeligt skrevet af StringKiller:

Oprindeligt skrevet af ShinigamiXII:

Broly you gotta be good at reading IMO. You can play around with your opponent quite well. You can do command throws randomly and not just at the end of combos (like a lot of people seem to do). Instead of the expected grab you can do his charge and vanish on block if you mess up. Assist usage during unsafe moves like overheads or charging help too. Getting someone in the corner as Broly is most likely what your main objective is.
You can also barrier and charge your ki while they panic throwing beams at you then come at you flying..and that's when you hit em with a 2H

I love to mess people up using barrier! With blockstrings though I find it a little weird. I tend to never try to throw at the end of a string (always somewhere in the middle) but it seems to me that there's a gap whenever you use H (without charge), 236S or any command throw, and if they vanish at any of those points except for H, which is not safe on block, they get a full combo due to armor.

Have you found any workaround so you can end a blockstring fully safely without using assists (ending in 236L + assists seems to throw a lot of people off and it is safe)? If not I guess you have to play defensive as hell unless you have assists and always cover the gaps.

Thanks a bunch for the tips!

Sikshot gaming has a good video that might answer some of your questions. He generally talks about what is a safe move on block and what isn't.

Dragon Ball FighterZ What To Do On Block:Broly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruXtRNbZLMA

[StringKiller]

Oprindeligt skrevet af ShinigamiXII:

Sikshot gaming has a good video that might answer some of your questions. He generally talks about what is a safe move on block and what isn't.

Dragon Ball FighterZ What To Do On Block:Broly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruXtRNbZLMA

I've already knew it. I believe that video was recorded prior to the balance patch wich seemed to slightly reduce blockstun time allowing you to fit some reflects in places where you previously couldn't (such as in kid buu's ball pressure). Unfortunally that extra time allows you to vanish vs broly's eraser blow (236S) so you don't really have any safe options on block if your opponent has meter and has done his homework.

I'll try annoying zoning strategies with him when I don't have assists. Recently I found out that using standart S and 8S can force some oponents to superdash and run straight into your charge, or if you are doing jS you can do your air grab when they super dash. I'll try to find something that works as you said. For now I went back to red square so there are more variety of people accepting my matches XD.

[Epic Gnest]

Yes

[BGFTM]

Please play who you want, it makes the game actually enjoyable that way. The best player I know runs Ginyu, Broly, and Krillin

[Xerus]

I had to man, I didn't want to but I had to, I replaced Beerus and placed Black as my anchor, I did it to make Broly work, but now I'm really happy with my team Broly/Hit/Black.

Black's assist its just too good once you carry people to the corner, even if I'm in the middle i can carry people into the corner.

I almost perfected a guy who was the same skill level as me, we were both yellow square and both near to SSJ3.
Sadly he rage quited just when I was doing the Broly loop combo, he denied my perfect at the end, but I laughted so hard after that. It was worth it to almost perfect a A. Gohan/Cell/Vegeta team.

I will keep Broly as my point no matter what, probably I will swap places with Hit from time to time depending on the matchups, of course this only apply in local play.