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Caulifla and Kale have no reason to be hated tho. Caulifla has a really likeable personality, Kale is a bit empty but she's supposed to be. Broly was empty as hell too. The only problems with them and especially Caulifla, is that they're becoming too powerful too fast. But that problem isn't the characters' fault, it's the writing staff's fault, and the mistake has been made during the universe 6 arc, when they decided to make universe 6 saiyans completely unaware of the existence of a super saiyan transformation (and such thing wasn't needed).
If, during the universe 6 arc, they presented a different Cabba, already able to go up to SSJ3, and with approximately the same past battle experience as Goku & Vegeta, it would have made the universe 6 saiyans' power much more believable and they would have only needed a bit of training from Vados to reach SS god and blue levels, making them on par with Goku and Vegeta in the TOP. On top of that, the mentoring relationship between Vegeta and Cabba would still occur, since during the universe 6 arc, Vegeta would still have an edge on him with the god forms.
Presenting Cabba like that would have permitted Kale and Caulifla to be long time SSJs at their first appearence in the series, and they could have already trained with Vados alongside Cabba while universe 7 were busy with Black and Zamasu.
The thing is that they probably weren't thinking about the TOP, Caulifla and Kale at the time of the universe 6 arc, but when the TOP arrived, they had to make the new saiyans somewhat relevant, so they were already stuck in a corner there, just because of that writing mistake they did all the way back in the universe 6 arc.
TL;DR : If you don't look at the writing issues, Caulifla is a really cool character and Kale is just female Broly as it should. So you should put your hate on the writing staff instead of them.
I agree with you for Ribrianne tho.
Nobody knew cell existed, because frankly he was still being created. That wasn't something gero was exactly public about lol. You should've said MAJIN BUU instead of cell, frieza knew about majin buu according to super.
I agree with the android 17 comment tho. At the least manga tuned him down some
Alright you're just being biased now lol. You can't start off with they have NO REASON to be hated, list the major issue with them, and then claim that doesn't count lol. Their writing makes the characters who they are. If a fictional character is badly written, thats MORE then enough reason to hate them
criticism =/= hate
the new trunks form - People might "hate" this form because it wasn't deserved, was random and unexplained, and made Goku/Vegeta's training seem less validated seeing as Trunks just became as strong if not stronger because....... reasons?
The universal survival arc has been awesome so far with gokus and vegetas new form. - People might "hate" this arc because it drags on forever. I personally don't like it because they gave almost everyone a unjusified powerboost and then forced certain characters off in a manner that would make most critical thinkers go "yea that's suspect"
A few examples -
Tiens stupid suicide
18 being kicked off when Goku was shown to effortlessly instant transmisison a few seconds before
Piccolo - We saw him extend his arms to save Gohan yet didn't do so for himself, he's also too stupid to sense the exact location of the bug?
I'm not biased, I love a lot of other characters much more than Caulifla. I'm not claiming that the issues with them don't count. Read again if you need so, I'm saying that these issues aren't the character's fault. It's the writing staff, and it goes all the way back to the universe 6 arc, when Caulifla and Kale didn't exist.
If a fictional character is badly written, it's more than enough reason to hate the writing staff, not the character itself.
Caulifla is just a female saiyan with a very Goku-ish personnality but with a bit of crazyness and girlyness thrown in. I think it makes a really enjoyable character, IF you disregard the writing issues. I never stated that it doesn't count. Just put your hate on the right target : the writing staff. Instead of the character itself.
For me it's rather average, but I never found DBZ to be an amazing anime either.
Battle of Gods movie on the other hand I REALLY liked.
I wish DBZ had the color, clarity, music and animations that Super had and my favorite thing about DBZ wasn't the story (which was a mess imo anyways) but the aesthetic/character designs, and more importantly the fights.
Super seems to take those kinds of fights and make them more epic while being accessible to the millennial target audience. I have no problem with that, I think it's great. Nothing stays the same, I wouldn't expect Dragon Ball to either.
All that said, I expect that Super surpasses and fails in different areas when comparing it to DBZ just as comparing DBZ to the original Dragon Ball.
2 - Completely uninspired story written by the marketing guy based on polls result and kid tantrums posted on the internet
3 - Terrible Chara design with a few exceptions
4 - Nonsensical. I mean A.Toriyama isn't the sharpest tool on the bench but we were far from DBS's level in DB or DBZ. The manga does a better job here.
5 - Overall, there is no heart in it. I don't feel the artist creativity like in DB or much much better One Piece. It's just a blend product targetting kids who don't know better.
Goku has lost pretty much every major fight in the series
Universe 6 and Majin Buu kept getting hyped up and the pay off being... Universe 6 gets erased from existance and Buu falls asleep right before TOP making both pointless
Every new character after Beerus has been a rehash of a pre-existing character
(Champa is a rehash of Beerus, Frost a rehash of Frieza, Cabba a rehash of Vegeta, Kale a rehash of Broly, Goku Black a rehash of Turles, Copy Vegeta... well that's right in the name isn't it... etc.)
Lazy new forms Kaioken 2.0 (Super Saiyan God), Super Saiyan but Blue, My eyes are grey now (Ultra Insinct).. whereas at least GT's SSJ4 was an original idea
Poor explanations for forms (Still not sure what the differenceb etween Super Saiyan God and Super Saiyan Blue is)
Goku's been nerfed so heavily that he needs his strongest form to fight Krillin
Uub was teased in order to make a grand appearance of..... zero scenes
Anime expects me to believe that Tien and Roshi are better fighters than Goten and Trunks
Hit billed as new rival for Goku only to be quickly brushed aside for Toppo who is in return brushed aside for Jiren
Roshi literally wins a fight in the Tournament of Power by threatening to rape his opponent
Plenty of reasons to hate Super
Just to Ask what's the difference between Kale and Broly?
it is a toriyama story. toriyama wrote the basics and how everything starts and ends.
Character designs are toriyama charcter designs
Dragonball has always been Nonsensical
the Production Value does drop A LOT at times but it also rises during important occasions.
one piece's are style helps hid a lot of its issues.
That's a good reason to strongly dislike DBS