Pantropy
Zothen 2019 年 2 月 6 日 上午 9:39
What went wrong with Pantropy?
Im baffled. Had this on the radar for 2 years, I think. Now it finally got into EA to instantly flatline. No reception to speak of, barely any units sold, low player retention - underperforming in all departments!
It still seems to tick all boxes! But its one of the worst EA launches Ive ever seen.
What went wrong? This cant be real!?
最后由 Zothen 编辑于; 2019 年 2 月 6 日 上午 9:40
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Ectelion 2019 年 2 月 6 日 上午 9:43 
the worst ? I don't think so ... have you seen ATLAST, SCUM etc...
最后由 Ectelion 编辑于; 2019 年 2 月 6 日 上午 9:44
Zothen 2019 年 2 月 6 日 上午 9:49 
??... i think you clearly missed the point
P4nz3rwels 2019 年 2 月 6 日 上午 11:32 
Get on discord, there you get nearly every day answers and information from the devs.
The lack of information is only there if you think the information will be brought to you.

Search for information and you will get them.
最后由 P4nz3rwels 编辑于; 2019 年 2 月 6 日 上午 11:32
JonesSkill 2019 年 2 月 6 日 下午 12:29 
Man, you should purchase more EA games because this is really a better EA release i've alredy seen.

the last one i hve purchased is SCUM, you must to play that game today and when they launched it to discovery what is a unplayable game
Eravior 2019 年 2 月 6 日 下午 3:50 
The general feeling on Pantropy's Discord is quite positive among the players so I don't see what Zothen is talking about.

I was a bit concerned when I first looked at Pantropy's mixed Steam reviews until I started reading the negative ones. "Hit tree, hit rock, got refund." I'm paraphrasing but not by that much.

This is definitely one of the better EA releases. Especially in recent memory. Atlas really is a dumpster fire from Wildcard/Grapeshot.
Valdin 2019 年 2 月 6 日 下午 6:01 
To answer the OP questions sort of, I don't know what went 'wrong' if anything. I am still playing and enjoying the game. There were some ugly bugs that reared their head once the servers got populated and had tens of thousands of structure piece and hundreds of mechs on the server. And there are some very nasty bugs right now, and I don't blame people for not logging in till they are fixed. But I wouldn't give up on the game.

Most people that do play the game are waiting on that patch to hit the game. The game still checks every box for me personally and the community has been good. It does not have high numbers as of yet, but I do believe that they said they stopped all advertising until they get these patches out to get the game in a more stable state.
Recon 2019 年 2 月 8 日 下午 9:35 
if your worried about sales, its one happens to many indies games, lack of marketing, Steam does not help any Indie that is for sure, since they get lost in the bunch....I for one, like Epic Store, it cost less and its not full of games all over making some games get lost...If I was this game, Epic store could help them market.......They need to market.....I didn't even know they release and I belong to there Discord. but games like this need to Market way more, which is why many have low sales, I know many others, that share the same issues and have positives reviews but low sales...
JonesSkill 2019 年 2 月 9 日 上午 9:54 
引用自 Recon
if your worried about sales, its one happens to many indies games, lack of marketing, Steam does not help any Indie that is for sure, since they get lost in the bunch....I for one, like Epic Store, it cost less and its not full of games all over making some games get lost...If I was this game, Epic store could help them market.......They need to market.....I didn't even know they release and I belong to there Discord. but games like this need to Market way more, which is why many have low sales, I know many others, that share the same issues and have positives reviews but low sales...

I can understand the devs, they don't want to market the game yet until some major issues get fixed. I will do the same if i am in their place.

Zothen 2019 年 2 月 9 日 上午 10:31 
引用自 MaOee
I can understand the devs, they don't want to market the game yet until some major issues get fixed. I will do the same if i am in their place.
Sorry, but on what foundation to you make that statement about the intentions of the devs? I havent found anything from them that correlates to this?!

The problem is once your product is out in the wild it starts to age. No matter if its an EA/development process or finished product. The clock is ticking against your product (previously called "shelf life"). So in most cases it would be absurd to "hide" your product instead of trying to actively selling it.
Just a quick look around the net (and YT) shows that the devs indeed try to actively sell their product. So your statement seems to be nonsense. Factual and economical.

However, their selling campaigns (if you want to call it that) seem to be strangely... ineffective..?!
最后由 Zothen 编辑于; 2019 年 2 月 9 日 上午 10:36
Ectelion 2019 年 2 月 9 日 上午 11:02 
Patch up :D let's play
Zothen 2019 年 2 月 21 日 上午 4:51 
Seems the devs tried to bite way more than they can chew. At least I dont see a glimpse of light at the horizon that brings this product back on track.. =(
Slivanov.v[Виталик] 2019 年 2 月 21 日 上午 5:50 
What are you talking about? The game we buy should be playable and there may be minor issues that are then removed. You buy a raw loaf and also speak normally in the next bakery worse. So for what to praise them. For 3 years they made the game raw. Sorry if I'm in something wrong. In principle, I have nothing against Pantropy just to be annoyed when you spend time collecting resources, and they disappear in place with the Big Cargo Container. Or, after the upgrade, all your achievements are lost. Or the server on which you developed disappears. Today again I can’t log into the server all day
最后由 Slivanov.v[Виталик] 编辑于; 2019 年 2 月 21 日 上午 6:18
Zothen 2019 年 2 月 21 日 上午 8:46 
Yep, sadly the game is too unpolished to succeed in Early Access. Or to get out of the hole it was dropped into.
Catmander 2019 年 2 月 21 日 下午 3:06 
引用自 MaOee
I can understand the devs, they don't want to market the game yet until some major issues get fixed. I will do the same if i am in their place.

I thought the whole thing to go on steam is to present your product to millions of potential buyers. Zothen is arguing with a crow bar but he has some valid points.

Kickstarter raised ~75k with a 2nd try. I don't know what the sales on steam are but they weren't going through the roof. Then yea you've seen the youtubers who're selling their mom for free copies going crazy about the game. Focus on US servers and mech fans.
So after all that, one can get the impression there's a desperate need for funding. The kickstarter says the team has a size of 12 but when looking at the numbers, thats not fulltime for sure.

Models and environment looks decent so i guess a good chunk went into that. Unfortunately no investment into writing like story, missions, etc. A good part of the kickstarter features are just not there and another part is just not working. And hell for the AI alone you need a ton of work. Not to mention the basic stuff like damn door animations or market. Or the design - since kickstarter presented just rough ideas. You need to fill them with life, test them, try iterations, etc.
So yea the chew metaphor might fit well.

But who knows, since we're all hot for a mech game ppl might still buy if basic things will be fixed. Its a long way for sure and currently i'd say minimum 3 years if not 5. Depending on $ and if they manage to grow. If not - well, read your EULA^^
Straun 2019 年 3 月 13 日 下午 12:09 
If they market it now as a real game they will lose people forever. I’ve mastered the game already and by that I mean I’ve built everything etc etc. the problem of the game which is easily fixed through development is that there’s no complexity to it. All mechs are more or less the sAme. Weapons and mechs don’t have roles and uses. PvP and raising and etc not really in yet. You can’t eve lid the Zeus weapons with ammo. Indy miners automate all production making farming irrelevant. This is all due to them having to spend all their time on engine issues first and stability and glitches. Content I would imagine would become easy later. Adding new mechs. Have tribes and mining mechs with group boosters and etc and etc the potential is endless. Armor that works better agains specific weapon types etc etc. one of that exists yet. Hell armor doesn’t even work on mechs yet. So you ask why went wrong it’s simply not. Game yet. It could be amazing if they get time to add any type of depth to the gameplay itself. Right now it’s just two dimensional. Hope by the time they work on corner and gameplay there is still a window to have sales cycle
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