The fact that Saber Interactive went Epic shows that there's a Valve issue, not a developer issue.

[Feebs]

Exactly how many major and minor developers now have jumped ship to toss their next game on Epic? At this point you cannot, without ignorance or vitriol, blame developers for this when the issue itself has blatantly lie with a flaw in Valve's policy regarding developers.

Also...? EGS is just a computer program yet yall treat it as if it were a whole different operating system like iOS or a console like PS4/Switch.

[knocks]

What a load of gibberish. Epic undercutting the market and offering upfront cash kickbacks for exclusive sale rights is perfidious business tactics formed only benefit themselves.

[Nexxus]

Humor me, how does this show there is a "valve issue"

[Feebs]

Originally posted by knocks:

What a load of gibberish. Epic undercutting the market and offering upfront cash kickbacks for exclusive sale rights is perfidious business tactics formed only benefit themselves.

Originally posted by Nexxus:

Humor me, how does this show there is a "valve issue"

The fact that Valve has been monopolizing the digital storefront market for nearly two decades? ..Don't forget that Valve's steam got extremely popular in the first place for their major sales to gamers while cashing in on Team Fortress 2 hat and gun and CSGO microtransactions a decade before Fortnite was ever a thing.

Valve made it so that no one wanted to shop anywhere else [unless they were legally selling steam keys like humblebundle and GMG] which forced developers to have to pay a high price to get their product onto steam as well as a higher then average seller fee for every product they owned and is the major reason why EA, Ubisoft, and now Bethesda has broken off from Valve with their own storefronts.

Valve is the one that got greedy and lazy off of their major success and gamers were blind to it as long as they provided crazy seasonal sales which ended up hurting developers developers in the long run, especially the smaller studios.

Under EGS' cheaper contract and funding bonuses means that, crazy concept I know, developers have much more funding to better develop their game in that year vs just being under steam early access.

So yes, it has always been a Valve problem and been one long before EGS showed up.

[wallhugger \_/7]

You do realise that keys that are sold by developers outside of the steam platform are free from a cut, right? Also, the cut that they had to give up on steam was industry standard, they didn't just pull that percentage out of their arse.

Also, you might not know this but steam originality made it's platform with the idea that other developers would use it as their own storefront, not as a big unified platform as it is now.

And yes, having multiple platforms for games makes it a mess to see which games you own on which platform. I've accidentally bought the same game twice due to multiple platforms. Then again, these days I integrate everything into Galaxy 2.0. I also still remember the days before steam. Even though I disliked steam at the beginning I find that the support it offers is more than enough for me to want to keep using steam over any other platform.

[Crash Manly]

The real problem is that Epic wouldn't even have all this backlash without their paid exclusivity policy. Game developers are not driving that decision.....It's all Sweeney. The amount EGS wants to pay developers is nice but the implementation is horrible. If games like this were released in both storefronts, the anti-EGS chatter would die down quite a bit because consumers would have a choice. Right now studios are the customers at Epic Game Store and the consumers who play the games are inconvenienced and that's an issue.

[Stefan]

devs will get no money from me because i dont buy on epic, im not interested on issues

[dimi]

The user experience is just better on steam and as with a lot of people I already have plenty of games here I can play. Same goes to developer/publisher side. I bet there are way more tools available for them on steam to track engagement or to interact with the players or whatever.

The fortnite store seems to me like an inferior platform and the only draw to it is the payed off exclusive titles and the free game giveaways and I still don't care about it. If I would really want to play an egs exclusive title, I can wait. I lose nothing, the fear of missing out hype dies down, the game gets fixed and it gets cheaper. Although since timmy guarantees these titles a certain amount of money for their exclusivity, which the developer or publisher deemed to be worthwhile, I consider it as a sign that they don't really want my support in the first place.

Also this argument that game studios, or mostly publishers, getting a better cut is just a marketing tool. If you offer a barebones store with barely any features on both the publisher/user side, then of course you can take less money from them, because you offer less to both sides.
Their whole approach to literally buy their users is off-puting to me and they offer no benefits compared to the competition. All they managed to do was to turn me off to support this ♥♥♥♥ industry.

[Generation-X]

My issue is an American company "Epic Games" sold 40% of its soul to "Tencent" which is a China based company. American freedom doesn't mix with 40% communist! Ill look back and feel sorry for people that took the bait when their getting banned/suspended accounts and or lose their purchases or right to play a game they purchased because our Freedom Of Speech and many other values aren't tolerated in China. If you don't think 40% ownership has a say in companies decisions think again... Here is a prime example, "Tencent" has a 5% stake in Activision/Blizzard which suspended a Hearthstone player for a year for simply saying "Liberate Hong Kong. Revolution of our age!" and was disqualified from receiving his $10,000 prize and severed ties with the two videocasters that hosted the stream.

As an American I support the right to protest. If Activation/Blizzard was 100% American owned and reflected those values there would be no punishment. For a country notorious for stealing intellectual property "China", what do you think is happening to your data? Are you comfortable with China having access to your data and banking information from purchases and such? That's a firm no from me. So to address the original post of this thread "The fact that Saber Interactive went Epic shows that there's a Valve issue, not a developer issue." I say to that statement that Saber Interactive is more focused on greed than morals since China has a larger gaming market than Valve has access to in the United States.

[Feebs]

Originally posted by Generation-X:

My issue is an American company "Epic Games" sold 40% of its soul to "Tencent" which is a China based company. American freedom doesn't mix with 40% communist! Ill look back and feel sorry for people that took the bait when their getting banned/suspended accounts and or lose their purchases or right to play a game they purchased because our Freedom Of Speech and many other values aren't tolerated in China. If you don't think 40% ownership has a say in companies decisions think again... Here is a prime example, "Tencent" has a 5% stake in Activision/Blizzard which suspended a Hearthstone player for a year for simply saying "Liberate Hong Kong. Revolution of our age!" and was disqualified from receiving his $10,000 prize and severed ties with the two videocasters that hosted the stream.

As an American I support the right to protest. If Activation/Blizzard was 100% American owned and reflected those values there would be no punishment. For a country notorious for stealing intellectual property "China", what do you think is happening to your data? Are you comfortable with China having access to your data and banking information from purchases and such? That's a firm no from me. So to address the original post of this thread "The fact that Saber Interactive went Epic shows that there's a Valve issue, not a developer issue." I say to that statement that Saber Interactive is more focused on greed than morals since China has a larger gaming market than Valve has access to in the United States.

If you are boycotting Chinese companies and companies Chinese companies invest in, then the above list is only a a tiny fraction of a very large list.You'll have your work cut out for you, but good luck!

[Generation-X]

Originally posted by Feebs:

Originally posted by Generation-X:

My issue is an American company "Epic Games" sold 40% of its soul to "Tencent" which is a China based company. American freedom doesn't mix with 40% communist! Ill look back and feel sorry for people that took the bait when their getting banned/suspended accounts and or lose their purchases or right to play a game they purchased because our Freedom Of Speech and many other values aren't tolerated in China. If you don't think 40% ownership has a say in companies decisions think again... Here is a prime example, "Tencent" has a 5% stake in Activision/Blizzard which suspended a Hearthstone player for a year for simply saying "Liberate Hong Kong. Revolution of our age!" and was disqualified from receiving his $10,000 prize and severed ties with the two videocasters that hosted the stream.

As an American I support the right to protest. If Activation/Blizzard was 100% American owned and reflected those values there would be no punishment. For a country notorious for stealing intellectual property "China", what do you think is happening to your data? Are you comfortable with China having access to your data and banking information from purchases and such? That's a firm no from me. So to address the original post of this thread "The fact that Saber Interactive went Epic shows that there's a Valve issue, not a developer issue." I say to that statement that Saber Interactive is more focused on greed than morals since China has a larger gaming market than Valve has access to in the United States.

If you are boycotting Chinese companies and companies Chinese companies invest in, then the above list is only a a tiny fraction of a very large list.You'll have your work cut out for you, but good luck!

I agree this is a small fraction of a large list, but it's fairly simple research and doesn't take much time. Frankly my initial comment took more time than searching who owns who. I'm not saying Valve/Steam is perfect but I can somewhat support their high percentage rate that they hit developers with. Which is why these developers are walking away. Valve charge's them 30% on sales under 10 million dollars for sales between 10 and 50 million goes down to 25% and after 50 million goes down to 20%. If the developer decides to use steam keys which can be sold through brick and mortar stores and various other locations Valve/Steam doesn't take a commission. They only take commission on sales through their store. Compared to Epic's store that charges 12% and was only recently established to try to undercut Steam

To me the high percentage rate will keep low quality games hoping for a quick buck through Steam and force them to innovate and create better content/marketing strategies to generate more sales to get to that lower rate. Although I don't support Epic games, I do support competition. Valve won't take this lying down and a result will likely be lowering its rates or provide some other service to them to equate the difference. In the meantime it is what it is and time will tell. On a side note Valve uses a portion of that money that they're getting from those high percentage rates to innovate. For example the ability to use numerous input devices and the ability to modify button functions on Steam which allows control of your operating system beyond gaming, Valve index VR system with finger tracking and the new Half-Life Alyx game that breaks the mold of VR games just to name a few. Valve usually sets the bar when it comes to developing AAA content/writing and pioneering new features. If there was another service/company that could pull that kind of weight I'm all ears. I'm interested to see how this all plays out.

[Maklah]

money is the only reason, they get a bigger cut on epic and thats all the companies care about. I as a consumer care about a store front that has support, can let me buy with my currency, and isnt a giant piece of ♥♥♥♥ program like epic is. Its fine, ever damn company stupid enough to go to epic for the money wont get my money spent on them.

[Feebs]

Originally posted by Maklah:

money is the only reason, they get a bigger cut on epic and thats all the companies care about. I as a consumer care about a store front that has support, can let me buy with my currency, and isnt a giant piece of ♥♥♥♥ program like epic is. Its fine, ever damn company stupid enough to go to epic for the money wont get my money spent on them.

You're really blind if you think Valve is completely innocent and isn't the cause that studios are jumping ship from them.

[Korben]

Is that all people talk about on steam? The Epic store? This ♥♥♥♥ is getting old.

Whaaaa! Epic store this...Whaaaa! Epic store that...

[Generation-X]

Originally posted by Kev061:

Is that all people talk about on steam? The Epic store? This ♥♥♥♥ is getting old.

Whaaaa! Epic store this...Whaaaa! Epic store that...

And yet you are here...

[james_saunders47]

Had a look at epic website, checked out how to purchase. No answer was the reply. How on earth do you obtain whatever product you want if you can't pay for it. At least with Steam I had the security of buying and using Steam Cards. I can see some of the developers getting done over changing distribution arrangements. Once epic get a larger critical mass I suspect they will change their commission system, the developers will get less and us poor consumers will end up with a really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ deal.