Why is gamepad steering digital?

[Destroy]

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[Destroy]

Originally posted by joridiculous:

Yes. Wheels turns as far or as little as the stick is moved.

Well this is interesting that we are not experiencing the same thing. What gamepad are you using if I may ask?

[vazool]

i'm using a xbox360 controller and i have the same thing, it keeps moving the wheel, the less i move the stick, the slower the wheels move

[Destroy]

I just dug out my Rumblepad2 and had to configure it within the Wheel section of MR. BINGO! No more digital steering!!

It appears for some reason they made the Xbox controllers not properly analog.

[vazool]

reeeeeeeeeee it has nothing to do with it being digital or analog, only if it's linear or non-linear, if it was digital, you'd have an on/off switch for full steer/no steer (like steering with the d-pad)

[joridiculous]

Originally posted by Destroy:

Originally posted by joridiculous:

Yes. Wheels turns as far or as little as the stick is moved.

Well this is interesting that we are not experiencing the same thing. What gamepad are you using if I may ask?

xbone wireless

[d0x360]

Originally posted by Destroy:

Originally posted by joridiculous:

Your setup is wack.

I'm hoping this is the case but to be 100% clear so both of you are not misinterpreting what I'm saying....

Game running, gamepad in hand, truck tire in view.

You press the thumb stick left to 25% from full left AND hold it there at 25%.
The truck tire starts turning left.
The truck tire stops at 25% from full left turn.

Then you press the thumb stick further left to 75% AND hold it there at 75%.
The truck tire again starts to move.
Again the tire stops turning when it reaches about 75% from full left turn.

Is this how it works for you? It does NOT for me.

its not just you. It happens to me too, it happened in the original version as well. Ive played it on 4 different PC's, 3 versions of Windows, and with a xb1, 360, steam, & ps4 controller all with the same result.

The game has digital steering. Steering always goes full lock with no auto return to center which is unlike EVERY driving game ever made since the advent of the analog stick.

Anyone who is telling you otherwise doesnt know what they are talking about. Its an issue with the game..perhaps a design decison to make it more difficult but its one you get used to. That being said I wish they would fix it

[joridiculous]

Originally posted by d0x360:

Originally posted by Destroy:

I'm hoping this is the case but to be 100% clear so both of you are not misinterpreting what I'm saying....

Game running, gamepad in hand, truck tire in view.

You press the thumb stick left to 25% from full left AND hold it there at 25%.
The truck tire starts turning left.
The truck tire stops at 25% from full left turn.

Then you press the thumb stick further left to 75% AND hold it there at 75%.
The truck tire again starts to move.
Again the tire stops turning when it reaches about 75% from full left turn.

Is this how it works for you? It does NOT for me.

its not just you. It happens to me too, it happened in the original version as well. Ive played it on 4 different PC's, 3 versions of Windows, and with a xb1, 360, steam, & ps4 controller all with the same result.

The game has digital steering. Steering always goes full lock with no auto return to center which is unlike EVERY driving game ever made since the advent of the analog stick.

Anyone who is telling you otherwise doesnt know what they are talking about. Its an issue with the game..perhaps a design decison to make it more difficult but its one you get used to. That being said I wish they would fix it

No, no, no and NO again.
This game and its forrunner does not have digital steering.
Steering does not go Full lock, and wheels do return to center for all trucks. A couple of them are really slow to return though, which is Normal behavior for those trucks.

If this happens to you it is something wrong with your settings.

[d0x360]

i went back and played with some different vehicles and i have to admit i was wrong. It depends entirely on what vehicle you are driving.

Try one of the workshop trucks like the F150 Raptor or the Hummer. they both have easily visible analog steering and auto centering.

So for everyone i told they were wrong i am sorry about that. Most of my experience is with the old game and using just the older and larger trucks in that game.

Full analog with the controller.

[spova]

Originally posted by d0x360:

i went back and played with some different vehicles and i have to admit i was wrong. It depends entirely on what vehicle you are driving.

Try one of the workshop trucks like the F150 Raptor or the Hummer. they both have easily visible analog steering and auto centering.

So for everyone i told they were wrong i am sorry about that. Most of my experience is with the old game and using just the older and larger trucks in that game.

Full analog with the controller.

You where not wrong. Steering is independant of control stick position and this is just plain wrong. Yes the wheels do return to center on their own but again its independant of game pad control stick input. If you play with a joystick and set it as the wheel you will see the trucks all respond as expected but if you play with a game pad they are all wonkey.

This guys can say all day long its normal or supposed to be like that because they are trucks but its wrong. The control stick is your steering wheel. The tires should reflect the stick position. The behavior in this game is different from a joy stick to a controller so its really obvious that its messed up if you have tried both like I have.

[Bobby]

The gamepad (XBox 360 wired) does do actual *analogue* steering. If you hold the stick at a set position, the wheels will stay at that set position (The steering whell in the game reflects that -as has been already flogged to death in this post) Some trucks are influenced by the viscosity of the terrain and are not meant to auto-centre quickly (the ratio) The steering wheel lock to lock can be described as the number of turns it takes for a driver to get a fully turned wheel on one side turned fully to the other side. ... They lesser the number of turns it takes, the more sensitive the steering wheel is to input- like a car. But on a truck is generally more turns due to the size of the vehicle and weight. ANY PC input device has quirks that are inherent to it. I've had some joysticks that -weren't cheap- but would be great in some games but not in others.
Your joystick will generate a different gameplay from a gamepad. That's obvious due to the height and size of a joystick (joystick potentiometer) over the smaller sticks on a gamepad.

[Satanovski]

Have the same issue here with both Spintires and Mudrunner. The stick doesn't control the angle of steering, like it would do in any other game, but the speed of how fast it goes to full lock. It feels very weird and awkward. Tested with a wireless XB360 and a XB One controller. Some say this bug doesn't occur when you use a wired controller, but i'd rather see a fix for that, instead of buying me a new controller just because of that bug...
Is there any workaround yet? some ini/conf-file that you can edit to fix this?
Some third party app to simulate a usb-controller with a wireless one?

[Brainy]

These are my obervations, correct me if I am wrong:

As far as I can tell, you get "direct steering" only if your input device is detected as a "steering wheel". Gamepads always use the steering speed control scheme and go to full lock.

For some reason the game classifies all "XInput" devices (like Xbox 360, Xbox One) as gamepads and uses a predefined controller layout, you cannot change, including the "non-direct steering".

Any DirectInput device is considered a "steering wheel", no matter if it is actually a gamepad, wheel or joystick. You can configure most of the commands and always get "direct steering".

So in theory, if you can get an XInput gamepad to be recognized as DirectInput and hide the orginal XInput device from the game, you should be able to get "direct steering".

I have no idea, why they don't let us configure our input devices like we want to, but instead force us to use some predefined mappings.

[vazool]

Originally posted by Brainy:

I have no idea, why they don't let us configure our input devices like we want to, but instead force us to use some predefined mappings.

developer lazyness, mostly. we could have many good things, but they would probably take too much effort to implement

[apLundell]

Originally posted by Brainy:

As far as I can tell, you get "direct steering" only if your input device is detected as a "steering wheel". Gamepads always use the steering speed control scheme and go to full lock.

For some reason the game classifies all "XInput" devices (like Xbox 360, Xbox One) as gamepads and uses a predefined controller layout, you cannot change, including the "non-direct steering".

Is there a solution to this problem yet? A driving game without direct analog steering control is miserable. I feel like I'm steering with a keyboard.

This bizarre choice of control mappings is the only thing stopping me from enjoying this game.

[Bobby]

Originally posted by apLundell:

Originally posted by Brainy:

As far as I can tell, you get "direct steering" only if your input device is detected as a "steering wheel". Gamepads always use the steering speed control scheme and go to full lock.

For some reason the game classifies all "XInput" devices (like Xbox 360, Xbox One) as gamepads and uses a predefined controller layout, you cannot change, including the "non-direct steering".

Is there a solution to this problem yet? A driving game without direct analog steering control is miserable. I feel like I'm steering with a keyboard.

This bizarre choice of control mappings is the only thing stopping me from enjoying this game.

Have you tried this
https://gamerinfo.net/game/spintires/x360ce/