Diff Locks

[Morpheus]

Has anyone noticed that the Diff Locks don't actually work. Even on vehicles that have Diff Locks Always. you can see the tires spinning at different speeds on both sides of the vehicle. Clearly a result of open differential. Pretty disappointing.

[Morpheus]

A standard open differential (common road car) allows the tires of either side of an axle to spin at different rates. Otherwise when you turn corners the tires will bark and skid due to the inside of the turn tire is turning very little and the outside of the turn tire is turning a lot. The disadvantage of open differentials on the off road is that the nature of the open diff is that the tire that loses traction is the one that will spin while the tire that has traction will not.
Hence Locking Differentials. This locks the differentials so that there is no slip between wheels. Effectively making a one piece axle all the way across from one tire to the other. In most western vehicles we use ratcheting lockers, or air lockers. The ratcheting lockers are spring loaded so the centrifical force of one tire spinning without traction engages the locker. Then when tension is off of the axel it releases. The air lockers require an air compressor to physically turn on and turn off the locker.
Most eastern vehicles use a hydraulic activated locker. There is a lever on the dash board you throw to engage the locker. One for each, front and rear axles. Lockers are not limited slip. they lock the differential.
Maybe for those that are not experienced off roaders it is not a big deal. But for those of us who are. It makes for a lacking simulation. Where Spintires (original) got it right.

[cardinalf]

i have to agree currently dif lock not cool all trucks 8x8 are unless than the small 6x6 trucks maz 7310 not handle the own weigh need only some mud and it stuck Truck 6x6 drag 8 points load without help but 8x8 can not do it and always need 1 truck to pull it I like more how was in the old game all wheels spin together same speed The most bs my maz get stuck on dry land when i added attachment to it Will be really fun if they add uttitly attachment to 7310 to help other trucks in the mud the freaking maz will get stuck only becouse the weight of the crane and no need much mud to happen

[Eric]

Originally posted by LONGIRAFFE:

How easy do you want this game to be lol!

Its fine when you hit deep spots where you should get stuck but getting bogged down to 0.5 kph in a small mud hole is just annoying.

[ImALittleTeaPot]

Originally posted by LONGIRAFFE:

How easy do you want this game to be lol!

There are many ways to make the game more difficult. The OP isn't asking to make the game easier, just make differential locking work correctly on the front axle.

Now, if your point is, "they made the entire game easier, if they fixed the front locks it would be super easy," then we have design decisions that could also be remedied in hardcore vs casual.

As it is, it seems like Saber wanted the game to be more accessible to casual gamers (not necessarily bad), then made quick fixes because it turned out to be too easy. Place log gates (no logs shall pass - what?), remove front diff lock, add diff damage based on surface, and the single star challenge (which just makes the game time consuming rather than more difficult) are some examples. I'm tempted to add the poor camera to that list ;)

[The_Mell]

'Correctly' - nearly as good as the too often used 'realistic' when people want to give their wishes more weight.
Problem is that Mudrunner's implementation might be correct, if those trucks are only equipped with locking transfer cases.

Originally posted by -SoL-Morpheus marsoc.us:

Most eastern vehicles use a hydraulic activated locker. There is a lever on the dash board you throw to engage the locker. One for each, front and rear axles. Lockers are not limited slip. they lock the differential.
Maybe for those that are not experienced off roaders it is not a big deal. But for those of us who are. It makes for a lacking simulation. Where Spintires (original) got it right.

And an experienced off roader will know that not every vehicle is equipped with everything, so you have to choose your vehicle and additional equipment according to your needs.
So which (stock, not modified) vehicles have you seen with this setup?
How were the other things of a perfect 4x4 organized (AWD, gear reduction & locking transfer case) on them?

[ImALittleTeaPot]

Originally posted by The_Mell:

Problem is that Mudrunner's implementation might be correct, if those trucks are only equipped with locking transfer cases.

It's a fair point. I believe though that locking fronts were removed entirely. So it might be easier to confirm that, then to go through each make (and model year?).

[Morpheus]

The transfer case does not lock. The differential does. The problem is that the trucks provided have front and rear differential locks. And knowing that you are going to be driving in an environment with such heavy mud. You would make sure to get vehicles that have all axel diff locks. Especially a logging company that depends on moving the product (logs) as depicted in this game.
They have taken a realistic sim and turned it into an arcade game.

[ImALittleTeaPot]

Originally posted by -SoL-Morpheus marsoc.us:

The transfer case does not lock. The differential does. The problem is that the trucks provided have front and rear differential locks. And knowing that you are going to be driving in an environment with such heavy mud. You would make sure to get vehicles that have all axel diff locks. Especially a logging company that depends on moving the product (logs) as depicted in this game.
They have taken a realistic sim and turned it into an arcade game.

True about it being more arcade like now. That log gate, LOL. They should have power ups next!

[Morpheus]

And to The_Mell.. all the vehicles in the game have no front lockers. What logging company would do that in that kind of environment. We are not talking about a casual off roader that MIGHT have put in just a rear locker. This is a sim of a logging company that depends on its vehicles in a harsh muddy environment to keep its product moving. Why would they waste money on vehicles that could not handle the task. You would buy vehicles that lock up on all axels. And even then you can get stuck and need other vehicle assists. But you would have the right tools for the job.

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by ImALittleTeaPot:

Originally posted by -SoL-Morpheus marsoc.us:

The transfer case does not lock. The differential does. The problem is that the trucks provided have front and rear differential locks. And knowing that you are going to be driving in an environment with such heavy mud. You would make sure to get vehicles that have all axel diff locks. Especially a logging company that depends on moving the product (logs) as depicted in this game.
They have taken a realistic sim and turned it into an arcade game.

True about it being more arcade like now. That log gate, LOL. They should have power ups next!

Don't encourage them... LOL

[MollyTheGE]

Originally posted by The_Mell:

Has anyone a resource for locking axle on those Spintire trucks?
(Excluding private retrofits for offroading.)

KRAZ-255 doesn't have any axle diff locks. Zil-131, URAL-375 and 4320, Zil-131 doesn't too. KRAZ-260 does have rear axle diff locks. Maybe (not sure) there is versions of KRAZ-260 and KRAZ-6322 with front diff lock. KAMAZ-4310 doesn't have any axle diff lock, but can be equipped with locked diffs from KAMAZ-65115, which have axle diff locks.
GAZ-66 have self-locking diffs on both axes. Same for MAZ-535, 537 and 543/7310.
What frustrates more is that devs just make all diffs on front wheels unlockeable. On any trucks. Even with self-lock diffs (especially 66).

[Kosm1cznY]

Originally posted by -SoL-Morpheus marsoc.us:

They spent all this development on the 'real time mud' and the water currents. Which is an awesome addition. But then to miss the modeling and physics of the real vehicles with front and rear diff locks is a huge miss. I will still be playing the original Spintires for a while longer until this is fixed. Very commonly 4x4, 6x6 & 8X8 vehicles have lockers in all axles.

Finaly they fixed it :)