PEOPLE NEED TO STOP POSTING MISINFORMED BS!!!

[Obiwan]

The Dev, Pavel Zagrebelny, luckily owns the rights to the game engine and has done some work on it despite not being paid.
For him to give us these updates, he had to go through a DIFFERENT PUBLISHER to get it out to us.

THAT is utter garbage.

You are trying to tell me SI has not paid Pavel, and that somehow the sodding developer has ALL the rights when a company like Focus is involved?

IF you are one of the people that believes this you need to stop using crap like this in your reviews because it is so detached from reality that it really raises questions as to whether people are shilling for this product on a level that is both fraudulent and insidious.

[Obiwan]

Początkowo opublikowane przez tox1m:

Just wanting to point out that it is not unheard of developer owning the game while publisher has the ownership of the game name/brand. Bohemia Interactive kept rights to original Operation Flashpoint code, while Codemasters, the publisher had rights to the brand. So when BI wanted to make a sequel they had to release the game undet different name. So now we have a game series called Arma.

Pavel worked in the past for Saber Interactive as some kind of renderer specialist, but left to pursuit his dreams of his own game which became Spintires. Oovee still holds rights to the name, while Pavel held rights to the code. Now Focus Interactive is licensing the the name Spintires from Oovee if i have understood correctly. They propably might drop the Spintires name alltogether at some point in the future when it comes the time to make Mudrunner 2.

But this is purely speculation on my part. My knowledge is pretty much based on an article Eurogamer did where they interviewed Pavel and Oovee reps if i remember correctly.


Edit: About the current ownership situation, i have no knowledge. It is possible Pavel still holds onwership to the code, but now has the legal backing of Sabre Interactive. Or the ownership of the code now belongs to Sabre.

Lets just completely gloss over the fact BI debut, with Op Flash that the software was contracted for the military BEFORE it was made a game and that it was a TEAM and STUDIO rather than 1 single individual.

With respect my knowledge comes from experience in the big world doing all these things for real and knowing just how huge the responsability, pressure and dependence is on all the fragile systems I have previously spoke of.

Comparing Op Flash to this is REALLY clutching at straws and ultimately everyone posting either has nothing more to say than "you don't own the game" OR "I am not willing to entertain people far more informed than I am".

Yet not one single person here can claim any PRACTICAL knowledge of anything close to this scenario.

SI were not involved with old tyres is really about the only comment you need read to sum up the levels of ignorance on this entire ordeal and low and behold makes the title of my post even more relevant.

I am not a chef so I don't question the cooking ... why is it you all are suddenly armchair devs with nothing but wiki's and articles made by online magazines to go by ... it baffles me.

[Steg79]

You still being here baffles me.

[Haildodger]

He doesn't even own the game, and he only has 5 hours on the original. I means seriously.

[Influenza]

I've never seen a guy being so upset about a game he doesn't even own. And he writes these walls of text although nobody cares about his opinion. The Forums are more entertaining than the game itself...

[timpe]

"Game engine code © 2014 Pavel Zagrebelnyy. SPINTIRES code and all other materials © 2014 Oovee® Ltd. Oovee, the Oovee logo, SPINTIRES and the SPINTIRES logo are trademarks of Oovee Ltd. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners"
Source: https://www.oovee.co.uk/site/legal

So, according to Oovee, Pavel owns game engine code, while Oovee owns Spintires code and trademarks. Slightly confusing, but there it is.

[ItsAll19]

Początkowo opublikowane przez tox1m:

So, according to Oovee, Pavel owns game engine code, while Oovee owns Spintires code and trademarks. Slightly confusing, but there it is.

That actually makes a whole lot of sense - Pavel has the GAME ENGINE but not the original ST code so we get a new game made with that engine. Explains the time involved to get MudRunner out, explains why the maps and trucks are slightly but not really different... etc.

People have too damn much time on their hands to blow crap up into some massive world-changing plot. IT's. a. GAME. fer cryin' out loud.

[Obiwan]

Początkowo opublikowane przez tox1m:

"Game engine code © 2014 Pavel Zagrebelnyy. SPINTIRES code and all other materials © 2014 Oovee® Ltd. Oovee, the Oovee logo, SPINTIRES and the SPINTIRES logo are trademarks of Oovee Ltd. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners"
Source: https://www.oovee.co.uk/site/legal

So, according to Oovee, Pavel owns game engine code, while Oovee owns Spintires code and trademarks. Slightly confusing, but there it is.

Again let us just gloss over the 2014 and pretend like Pavel managed to convince SI to take him on then pitch his game via their own execs and then somehow get FI onboard all by himself.

I am done listening to this utter drivel. The blind leading the blind as my old nan used to say.

[Burnt_Fuel]

It all sounds like a bunch of BS somebody needs to manage pavels business or atleast advise him of his rights prior to signing on the dotted line, This sim has so much potential i would hate too see its true potential be lost in the Bs of business, and cry babies. Just injoy it while we can and stop crying about it, learn some xml and make some changes . just like the modd comunity always does. im no modder by any means but with steam i can learn because i can quickly replace the program too stock and start over if needed no problem.

[Burnt_Fuel]

Początkowo opublikowane przez pwrkreeper:

Anyone that adds malicious code into their own game so that it disables the game because they are having issues with the publisher has major issues - that is what pavel did, and mark my words he will do it again.

If it isnt already in there somewheres

[Burnt_Fuel]

time bomb
like before

[mud]

*passes popcorn*

[Ouwe Knar]

*Passes eggs and tomato..*

[Haildodger]

*passes gas*

[Burnt_Fuel]

Pukes

[Ozone]

Okay I'm done reading this. Thanks for sharing your thoughs.