Health & Hygiene Bar [PLEASE HELP]

[paigelen]

So all of a sudden I'm really struggling keeping my health bar up. Was something new added to the game that effects this bar that I'm not aware of? My school is pretty clean, I've got lots of hand sanitizer and a clinic but health bar is stuck at zero?

[ryan.sumo]

Hi paigelen, we haven't made any major changes to health and hygiene recently. When was the last time you played the game?

If you could send us a bug report that would definitely help us try to figure out if there are any issues that need to be fixed.

[Jerry]

it goes down when there lots of students cause they make so much dirt and they only address thier hygiene when its low

[Aidyn]

There really seems to be a problem with health/hygiene. I haven't been playing for long, but for this year (year 4), in the end of year evaluation, I got an A for Cleanliness. Yet, even with that, the health of all my students was at 0 all year, with their hygiene need at 10% tops, which means that every day, 10-20 of my 200 students get sick and stay home, in addition to those in the clinic. My school has no interior dirt tiles, the whole building zone is fenced, so the only students ever exposed to dirt are those that go through staff only doors (which is a problem of itself) to pee in the bushes.

And with all this, hygiene is ♥♥♥♥ (pun intended), and health too.

[tristan.angeles]

Originally posted by Aidyn:

There really seems to be a problem with health/hygiene. I haven't been playing for long, but for this year (year 4), in the end of year evaluation, I got an A for Cleanliness. Yet, even with that, the health of all my students was at 0 all year, with their hygiene need at 10% tops, which means that every day, 10-20 of my 200 students get sick and stay home, in addition to those in the clinic. My school has no interior dirt tiles, the whole building zone is fenced, so the only students ever exposed to dirt are those that go through staff only doors (which is a problem of itself) to pee in the bushes.

And with all this, hygiene is ♥♥♥♥ (pun intended), and health too.

Hi Aldyn, can you please send us a bug report with save file with your school that has the 'A' cleanliness but the students are still losing hygiene? Students lose hygiene when stepping on non floored tiles, and dirty tiles including litter,poo.piss, and when evaluating cleanliness we count the number of dirty tiles in the school, so ideally your students shouldn't be losing hygiene(and health).

[Aidyn]

Originally posted by tristan.angeles:

Originally posted by Aidyn:

There really seems to be a problem with health/hygiene. I haven't been playing for long, but for this year (year 4), in the end of year evaluation, I got an A for Cleanliness. Yet, even with that, the health of all my students was at 0 all year, with their hygiene need at 10% tops, which means that every day, 10-20 of my 200 students get sick and stay home, in addition to those in the clinic. My school has no interior dirt tiles, the whole building zone is fenced, so the only students ever exposed to dirt are those that go through staff only doors (which is a problem of itself) to pee in the bushes.

And with all this, hygiene is ♥♥♥♥ (pun intended), and health too.

Hi Aldyn, can you please send us a bug report with save file with your school that has the 'A' cleanliness but the students are still losing hygiene? Students lose hygiene when stepping on non floored tiles, and dirty tiles including litter,poo.piss, and when evaluating cleanliness we count the number of dirty tiles in the school, so ideally your students shouldn't be losing hygiene(and health).

Will do as soon as I can. But while trying to sleep, I was thinking about this, and think I may already know the cause. See, at the moment of writing the previous message, I only had 4 classes, one per group. All 4 of those had 45 desk, and all linked to the same corridors. Also, all my other student rooms (cafeteria and the like) were all in the same area. As such, whenever students had to move in the school, they'd go in the same direction.

Now, let's assume the floor was initially clean. 1st student to go trough has no problem, everything is clean, but leaves a bit of dirt. 2nd has a bit of dirt, but barely any, but still leaves more. Now skip to # 180. No matter how many janitors you have, no matter how quick they are, they will never be able to clean that up quick enough. But, with enough janitors, you can get all that cleaned up fast enough so that when it is evaluated, it is reported as clean.

So, I think the problem comes from the fact that students are affected by dirt left over by others, and I can see 2 ways of fixing this. First, reduce the effect of dirt on students. While this may be viable, I don't think it'd be a good idea, as that would also mean that areas that are never visited by janitors may have no effect whatsoever. Second, add a delay for the hygiene to start dropping. This delay wouldn't need to be long, maybe 2-3 in-game minutes, just enough for all students to pass, and for janitors to start cleaning.

[tristan.angeles]

Hi! Thanks for the suggestion, will keep them in mind. In your school you mentioned that you had no interior dirt tiles, would like to know if on the way to school your students pass by un-floored tiles?

[Aidyn]

Hi Tristan,
Initially yes, and I also tough that was the issue, so I put a fence the entire lenght of the sidewalk, except for the main entrance, which leads to one of my yards, which has the gravel flooring. Doing this did delay the problem, but it is still happening. Will see about sending the save file now.

[tristan.angeles]

Hi! Aidyn, saw your bug report. After investigating I observed that using the toilet decreased the hygiene of the students by a large amount. So this was probably the cause( if not part of the cause) of the student's decline in hygiene. Anyway, I made some adjustments to this, and the amount of dirt students produce. This is already in the latest update. If you have time try it out, and please let us know if this helped or solved your problem.

[Aidyn]

I started a new school, to be safe, and yes, all seems in order. Now running on year 2, only 1 student stayed home sick. Tons quit school, but only 1 sick. I call that a win :D

[tristan.angeles]

Originally posted by Aidyn:

I started a new school, to be safe, and yes, all seems in order. Now running on year 2, only 1 student stayed home sick. Tons quit school, but only 1 sick. I call that a win :D

Yeah' we're still trying to balance the student dropouts mechanic, but I'm glad that fixed your school's health and hygiene problem! :D

[人称Flame]

Im having the same problem, i have 420 students and it's always dirty but I eventually fixed it by having 50 janitors, that's a bit too much if you ask me. but even after that I noticed that even though students stop complaining their hygiene still goes down due to large amount of dirty caused by them walking around which is inevitable and because of that their health never go back up

[tristan.angeles]

Originally posted by Kobe:

Im having the same problem, i have 420 students and it's always dirty but I eventually fixed it by having 50 janitors, that's a bit too much if you ask me. but even after that I noticed that even though students stop complaining their hygiene still goes down due to large amount of dirty caused by them walking around which is inevitable and because of that their health never go back up

Hi! Kobe do you have enough sinks or hand sanitizers which are accessible to your students? You can send us a bug report so we can check if this is a bug, since based on your description the students are not complaining anymore yet their hygiene is still going down. Thanks!

[catfishpadwest]

Same problem how do i get their hygiene up the students just do whatever the hell they want i can install vast amounts of hand sanitizer and the problem still occurs and my students get sick for what reason and i have a bunch of janitors which doesnt even help at all add like a shower room where kids can shower and why does rest need to be a need ever heard of a goodnight sleep apparently that has never been heard of by you also i hire a bunch of nurses but it still doesnt bring up health at all im just really confused

[Aidyn]

Originally posted by catfishpadwest:

Same problem how do i get their hygiene up the students just do whatever the hell they want i can install vast amounts of hand sanitizer and the problem still occurs and my students get sick for what reason and i have a bunch of janitors which doesnt even help at all add like a shower room where kids can shower and why does rest need to be a need ever heard of a goodnight sleep apparently that has never been heard of by you also i hire a bunch of nurses but it still doesnt bring up health at all im just really confused

The initial issue was resolved several months ago, when they nerfed the negative effects of dirt, toilets, etc.

I think the problem you're having may be more about the setup of your school than a bug.

First, make sure that your janitors are on routes, except for 2-3 (maybe more, depending on school size). Each route should go to roughly 4 rooms, depending on the room (cafeteria will probably need its own route, for instance). Each route should have at least 2 janitors. The few janitors not on routes will mostly empty trash, and serve as backups for when those on routes go on break.

Second, the ground is your enemy. Any floor tile that your students walk on that ISN'T a tile you placed will reduce their hygiene, same as with dirt. I suggest putting a fence down from the edges of the map, all the way to the building, right by the sidewalk.

Also, keep in mind that if one student gets sick, any students in the same classes have VERY high risks of getting the sickness too. Having many nurses, and lots of beds in the infirmary will help clearing them out quickly, especially if you get the tech that boost recovery (don't recal the name).

[dragoon2008]

Aidyn route system worse then not having routes. Just hire 50-80 Janitors and it should solve dirt and health. Also have only 15 students per class. Multiple Clinics. Why i split school in two. with year 1 and 2 one side and 3 and 4 other. Caf in middle. Called block system and it works well. No drop outs or health problems.