Just watched a guy go 98 and 0 in the smallest helicopter.

[John Money]

Obviously because of the buff, when are the devs going to give us proper tools to take down vehicles? Had an entire squad of 6 people trying to take one copter down with RPGs and LMGs, just wasn't happening. Not trying to ♥♥♥♥♥ and moan post but this overnight change is absurd

[Deggo]

There's no way you are gonna hit one of the better little bird pilots with an apc round, they would have to be stationary or fly completely predictable. You have to lead like crazy, and you have to be far enough away because the fire angle is too limited for proper anti air.

[SπdR]

Laughs in Battlefield 4

[Honor Guard]

the L86 does 51 Light vehicle dps (so half the copter's health if you land your shots in a second)

[John Money]

Publicado originalmente por Ailes:

Publicado originalmente por Deggo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSfbJtDXd18

"Just shoot the pilot"
Keep in mind this was before the buff. Heli now does more damage against vehicles and you now heal automatically in the base, while also doing less damage through glass. What most sensible pilots do is to go away for like 5 seconds to heal when you manage to shoot them once only to come back and annoy you again.

This seems like an exception to me, not the rule. I have never seen someone pull such stunts in my lobbies or I missed out on drawing that kind of focused and skilled aggro. Also it's very convenient how the majority of these kills are happening around that large Wakistan bridge. That is such a silly meatgrinder in itself that it's not necessarily a huge suprise that this pilot isn't getting too much shot at. I'd go even as far as argue that only noobs throw themselves into that mess. So I still say skill issue. He sure looks like a skilled pilot, I could only dream to do such things with the Littlebird. But again, this isn't common and probably not as easy on other maps or really just other parts of Wakistan.

I would agree with this being a skill issue if it werent so difficult to AA in this game, and the fact that the guy was flying directly over the point beyond the first bridge mowing down my entire side, all spread out all over the point. Even worse was the APC sniping from the ocean instakilling anyone who dared to peak

[Isabelle]

If you're absurdly good at using a littlebird there's damn near no way an entire lobby co-operating can take you down. Realistically though, very few people are skilled enough with the littlebird for it to really be a problem

[Kevin Dingleberry]

Publicado originalmente por Titney Spheres:

Obviously because of the buff, when are the devs going to give us proper tools to take down vehicles? Had an entire squad of 6 people trying to take one copter down with RPGs and LMGs, just wasn't happening. Not trying to ♥♥♥♥♥ and moan post but this overnight change is absurd

I agree. Helicopters need a massive overhaul.


I don´t even bother shooting at them anymore. All it does is give my position away to enemy ground Forces.

[Noodlesocks]

Would be neat if engineer/support could build some static emplacements. Last thing I want to see is every third soldier running around with manpads.

[Spooky]

https://youtu.be/rIbwLEE-vkw

[TravestyVin]

FFs the one guy calling all the IFVs "Acps" what the ♥♥♥♥ is an acp? You mean APC? theres no ACPs in the game. The BTR-80 is an IFV. The LAV-20 is an IFV. Ive read like 3 threads today where he keeps calling them acps.

[Soren]

Had one match where I shot a littlebird pilot out of his seat with a sniper headshot. Felt so awesome to do it. But I will say the hardest counter is just light tank and their more flak-isk orounds (some larger boats shoot this kind of ammo too now). All it takes is one hit near the rotor tail and the Heli is good as grounded when the tail is disabled. Hitting directly with a heavy tank round is more so luck and not the best method for trying to clear the skies even if it one shots littlebirds.

Publicado originalmente por TravestyVin:

FFs the one guy calling all the IFVs "Acps" what the ♥♥♥♥ is an acp? You mean APC? theres no ACPs in the game. The BTR-80 is an IFV. The LAV-20 is an IFV. Ive read like 3 threads today where he keeps calling them acps.

I assume you're talking about me? It's easy to mix up the acronym really. Especially if you have dyslexia. I don't really see it as a big deal if I'm being honest. But since I was corrected I will keep that in mind in the future.

[Lykosia]

I was thinking of giving this game a new try after I got tired of getting insta killed by Vectors. After seeing the video on page 1, nope. I think I'll download BF4 instead. At least there I can use my sweet IFV's TOW missiles to shoot down helis and jets.

[bernz]

Publicado originalmente por Lykosia:

I was thinking of giving this game a new try after I got tired of getting insta killed by Vectors. After seeing the video on page 1, nope. I think I'll download BF4 instead. At least there I can use my sweet IFV's TOW missiles to shoot down helis and jets.

♥♥♥♥♥. Sure go to BF4. Those pilots are untouchable there too because they had 10 years to perfect their flying.

[Shakajolt]

They need to remove the littlebird. 100-0 from people barely even trying. Most players won't come close to that, but most players won't be flying it, either. It's *the* hardest thing in the game to land a hit on, and if you DO land a hit, it's probably for 1 point of damage with an LMG or rifle.
Just like in BF4 or in Natural Selection with the fades... If you have any class or role that can go 100+ kills with 0 deaths, you've created something frustrating to every other player in the game, no matter how much skill that thing takes to pull off.

[Soren]

Publicado originalmente por Shakajolt:

They need to remove the littlebird. 100-0 from people barely even trying. Most players won't come close to that, but most players won't be flying it, either. It's *the* hardest thing in the game to land a hit on, and if you DO land a hit, it's probably for 1 point of damage with an LMG or rifle.
Just like in BF4 or in Natural Selection with the fades... If you have any class or role that can go 100+ kills with 0 deaths, you've created something frustrating to every other player in the game, no matter how much skill that thing takes to pull off.

I think littlebirds snipers who stay up far far away in the sky are annoying and unkillable for the most part (except via another heli). But they also aren't the littlebirds going 100-0.

The littlebirds going around 100 kills are the ones playing aggressive and could have been one shot by a tank at any point in the game but never were. Or they could have been harassed by infantry ground to air bullets but never were. Tanks can pull those numbers too whenever the enemy team ignores them and does not carry anti-tank gadgets. But that's incredibly rare and never happens anymore.

[Ailes]

I had some of those super skilled Littlebird pilots in my lobbies now, and I guess I agree "just shoot the pilot" really doesn't work there, so I'll stop saying that from now on.

I went LMG once and tried to kill one of those for a prolonged time. I was leading as best I could and hurt him a few times (white crosshair), but it clearly wasn't enough because he kept going and ultimately went 100+/0 something. Just like the few others I've been seeing on both my own and the hostile team. All while I was doing that I was drawing tons of aggro from snipers, tanks/LAVs or regular gunmen on the ground and couldn't live for long.

Maybe if some of my teammates had done the same, went LMG and focused that Littlebird too that could have worked. But they rarely shot back from what I had seen. It probably shouldn't need like 3+ (support) players all giving away their positions and wasting tons of ammo just for the vague hope of potentially shooting one of those skilled pilots.

That being said: I really don't want to be that person, but I'm surprised no one is calling hacks on these. They almost have pinpoint accuracy, they always seem to know where enemies both in groups but also lone stragglers are despite being in constant movement, they rarely seem to miss their shots if ever at all. The few times I flew Littlebird I could hardly see enemies, let alone hit anything. Maybe they are just well trained and well beyond what someone like me could ever hope to pull off. But there are so many threads on the presumable trizillion cheaters this game has yet nobody seems to accuse those 100+/0 Littlebird pilots of being that? Am I missing something here?

I'm still not sure if dedicated AA is the best way to deal with this. Clearly many other Littlebird pilots aren't this skilled and neither are Blackhawk/transport chopper operators or the gunners on those. I still believe vehicles both on ground and in the air are in a fairly bad spot in this game. If they introduced for example stinger launchers then maybe those should be very limited in numbers and only usable by engineer or something. And the helicopters should perhaps also get a few flares or whatever to counter this. Otherwise 99% of them will get shot ouf of the air instantly and no one will use them anymore except the 1% extreme skillers.

The other option may be semi-automated AA systems triggered by SLs or some new, dedicated commander class like it works in Rising Storm 2 for example. But if those players suck then no AA for you. The way SLs are randomly assigned to even the worst of noobs I wouldn't count on those providing any AA support, it's bad enough you have to beg for some rally points over and over again in squads sometimes swimming in 1-2k+ points.