Why are LMG's so bad?

[The adventures of Lyonic!]

There are only 2 LMG's and they both have zero place in the game because there is no suppression mechanic. Any assault rifle will beat them at range, and smg will beat them close. Whatss going on here?

[arti_llery]

They aren't meant for the run and gun everyone else does, you post up and catch people off guard with the 100 round mag. Also, useful for taking out helicoptors.
If you are having issues with them, just keep at it, they require a few mods before they really start to shine.

[The adventures of Lyonic!]

Originally posted by arti_llery:

They aren't meant for the run and gun everyone else does, you post up and catch people off guard with the 100 round mag. Also, useful for taking out helicoptors.
If you are having issues with them, just keep at it, they require a few mods before they really start to shine.

I have unlocked nearly all the mods on the gun no 4 and all of them on the saw. I camp 90% of the time but they are no where near as accurate as the assault rifles and just cant get enough bullets in before you die to smgs.

[arti_llery]

You need to make those engagement ranges farther out or harder to get a SMG to fire at ya. Most of the time I shoot people as they are running off.

Sometimes, you need to partner up with someone, having two guns on target helps. Or a medic for heals, aside from bandages. Even if they drop ya a medkit it helps.

I have learned, if you are shooting from a window above them, and they start firing back, just prone. And get out of that room, as a grenade will be in shortly.

[Ozymandias]

Because all of support's 4 guns are just worse assault rifles.

[The adventures of Lyonic!]

Originally posted by Ozymandias:

Because all of support's 4 guns are just worse assault rifles.

right?

Like i would play support with assault rifles no problem because by the time ive killed q or 2 people im reloading anyway, so the mag does nothing but buy you 5 more seconds.

[Shunnn]

dunno man, MG36 works perfectly fine for me. I agree with other LMG tho. Even L9 is also works great close combat. It has high burst

[Gone Oh!™]

You ever try holding a choke as a rush defender on a map like Namak?
Attackers - "He's out, right?"

[Pistachio]

Pretty much the meta for LMG is non-magnified optic + attachments to reduce recoil + heavy barrel or some sort and use it like a high mag capacity AR or SMG. Then it kind of works as long as you don't fight enemies with SMGs head on. In other words, it doesn't behave as you'd expect an MG should behave.

Even then, if you meet an enemy with an SMG/PDW and spot each other at about the same time, there is a good chance you'll die first. At ranges beyond 100m the SMGs and ARs will do better still. When I see a sniper glint at about !00~200m range, if I have a Groza on me, I'd dump the entire mag in the general direction and sometimes that'll take the sniper down. That same thing is much harder to do with an LMG and you have to do it in very short burst to even get a chance.

I wish LMGs with bipod with medium range optics were a viable option and that LMGs would function like an MG instead of overlapping with SMGs and ARs in terms of role.

[G4mm4g0bl1n]

Some people seem not to understand which job a LMG gunner has to do. Its not about storm into buildings. The LMG is great against helis, supress enemies, stop enemies from storm buildings and blocking enemies from shooting out of the windows of a building. Thats the reason why just the supporter can equip it and why he has a strong armor. Also why the supporter is called supporter, because he give fire support for the assault troops. To compare SMG's with LMG's is like compare grapes with melons.

[The adventures of Lyonic!]

Originally posted by G4mm4g0bl1n:

Some people seem not to understand which job a LMG gunner has to do. Its not about storm into buildings. The LMG is great against helis, supress enemies, stop enemies from storm buildings and blocking enemies from shooting out of the windows of a building. Thats the reason why just the supporter can equip it and why he has a strong armor. Also why the supporter is called supporter, because he give fire support for the assault troops. To compare SMG's with LMG's is like compare grapes with melons.

There is no suppression mechanic in this game which is sad.

[The adventures of Lyonic!]

Originally posted by Pistachio:

Pretty much the meta for LMG is non-magnified optic + attachments to reduce recoil + heavy barrel or some sort and use it like a high mag capacity AR or SMG. Then it kind of works as long as you don't fight enemies with SMGs head on. In other words, it doesn't behave as you'd expect an MG should behave.

Even then, if you meet an enemy with an SMG/PDW and spot each other at about the same time, there is a good chance you'll die first. At ranges beyond 100m the SMGs and ARs will do better still. When I see a sniper glint at about !00~200m range, if I have a Groza on me, I'd dump the entire mag in the general direction and sometimes that'll take the sniper down. That same thing is much harder to do with an LMG and you have to do it in very short burst to even get a chance.

I wish LMGs with bipod with medium range optics were a viable option and that LMGs would function like an MG instead of overlapping with SMGs and ARs in terms of role.

For me they need to fix bipod 100%.

[G4mm4g0bl1n]

Originally posted by Lyonic:

There is no suppression mechanic in this game which is sad.

... This is not BF and Im not talking about a game mechanic. Its a military strategical move like fire support. Please, ask a real soldier. He will explain you what this means.

[Bashlynn]

Originally posted by G4mm4g0bl1n:

Originally posted by Lyonic:

There is no suppression mechanic in this game which is sad.

... This is not BF and Im not talking about a game mechanic. Its a military strategical move like fire support. Please, ask a real soldier. He will explain you what this means.

The point still stands. There is no suppression and thats sad.
Ask a soldier if they can keep a clear head and steady aim while having 10 death deliverers a second slapping all around them

[JASON BOURNE]

Its because most ppl play without recoil so their high recoil smgs are lasers wich means its very easy to land shots above 100m, its like warzone watch any top streamer and you will notice zero recoil and tracking ppl with a controller 200m hitting every shot on full auto and tracking every movement they do, its specially funny when they use the guns with ridiculous recoil, thats cheating.
This game has nowhere near as good of a AC as warzone and yet that one is infested too so imagine how bad it is here.

[Ginzo Force]

Originally posted by arti_llery:

They aren't meant for the run and gun everyone else does, you post up and catch people off guard with the 100 round mag. Also, useful for taking out helicoptors.
If you are having issues with them, just keep at it, they require a few mods before they really start to shine.

this, my best games with support are usually in a central building on the map, usually 2 stories or above, building baracades (which support builds instantly), spraying at long range and avoiding snipers

I thought the patch was live and pulled like 350 kills from the ultimax in the last few days, same with the other mgs, you're supposed to cut people off as they wander through the open between objectives, although with your armor you still can win close gunfights

the usefulness of support is partially utilizing your ability to throw 12 grenades per life potentially at chokepoints, and then the other duties I already listed, you aren't supposed to do 360 noscopes, camp in buildings, shoot people as they funnel into control points, and when people are congested spam grenades

I also like to set an absolute ton of ap mines, very underrated and I think it works well with support playstyle, although trophy system might be better after patch, I think many more people will run it then though so ap mine will still be a good option

with all of this said the mg36 and 249 still aren't even bad in close range fights, the ttk is good, you just have to adjust your playstyle to watching angles and not sprinting around everywhere, you move slower but that doesn't stop you from outgunning and lean peaking people in close quarters