the new smg changes just killed this game

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now I'm starting to believe devs arw on milsim type and killing this game for semi casual gamers, thank you devs for making the game more flopped

[AnvilHouse]

Sounds like a typical "use the most broken content and complain when it is fixed" meta player.

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Originally posted by AnvilHouse:

Sounds like a typical "use the most broken content and complain when it is fixed" meta player.

who said I'm using meta guns, I just like playing with smg's, before u click that send button think of the things mate

[Bloodshot Princess]

Originally posted by Euphoria:

Originally posted by AnvilHouse:

Sounds like a typical "use the most broken content and complain when it is fixed" meta player.

who said I'm using meta guns, I just like playing with smg's, before u click that send button think of the things mate

SMGS were ALWAYS going to get a blanket nerf, cry about it.

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well gg, after 300 hours might as well uninstall this game if they start to nerf stuffs out of the blue

[RedEssence]

smgs are the best guns no question, now with the range nerfs assault rifles might actually see an uptick in use instead of getting sniped by an mp5 across the map

[SinRiddenSoul]

Honestly, it's not that big a deal. People still use the Kriss Vector post nerf and just mag-dump from 100m+. SMGs outperform ARs at range due to ROF kinda being king. Reaction time, having to ADS or not, and if you get the jump on someone do matter but, if they have the higher ROF and you both were to hit shot for shot, in many scenarios the SMG or weapon with the highest ROF and hits on target will win out.

SMGs will still be damn solid at CQC but, just won't perform better than an AR at it's intended range as much. If anything it's just a bullet penalty requiring one to have to restock more if that's even a concern. It's incentive to actually play other weapons aside from SMGs. I'm not sure how out of the blue it is when there were so many people concerned about SMGs outperforming ARs at their optimal use range.

Outrage for the sake of outrage, without even testing the performance and impact once said nerfs take place seems kinda linear minded don't you think? You can still play the game before they go into effect so the performative post about quitting now doesn't accomplish much. You are very much within your right to stop playing the game though. Why did you feel the need to complain about it without even trying it? I get it, nerfs feel bad, but there are more concerning imbalances in the game aside from "oh noes my smg meta". If anything everyone just running around with SMGs gets kinda stale.

[Lohse]

More like the removal of lean spamming killed the game.

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Originally posted by SinRiddenSoul:

Honestly, it's not that big a deal. People still use the Kriss Vector post nerf and just mag-dump from 100m+. SMGs outperform ARs at range due to ROF kinda being king. Reaction time, having to ADS or not, and if you get the jump on someone do matter but, if they have the higher ROF and you both were to hit shot for shot, in many scenarios the SMG or weapon with the highest ROF and hits on target will win out.

SMGs will still be damn solid at CQC but, just won't perform better than an AR at it's intended range as much. If anything it's just a bullet penalty requiring one to have to restock more if that's even a concern. It's incentive to actually play other weapons aside from SMGs. I'm not sure how out of the blue it is when there were so many people concerned about SMGs outperforming ARs at their optimal use range.

Outrage for the sake of outrage, without even testing the performance and impact once said nerfs take place seems kinda linear minded don't you think? You can still play the game before they go into effect so the performative post about quitting now doesn't accomplish much. You are very much within your right to stop playing the game though. Why did you feel the need to complain about it without even trying it? I get it, nerfs feel bad, but there are more concerning imbalances in the game aside from "oh noes my smg meta". If anything everyone just running around with SMGs gets kinda stale.

Doesn't mean one haven't felt the change ingame that removes off the right to complain. The changes doesn't need to be felt but seeing the huge drop offs......

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Originally posted by Lohse:

More like the removal of lean spamming killed the game.

this is a reasonable change though

[SinRiddenSoul]

Originally posted by Euphoria:

Originally posted by SinRiddenSoul:

Honestly, it's not that big a deal. People still use the Kriss Vector post nerf and just mag-dump from 100m+. SMGs outperform ARs at range due to ROF kinda being king. Reaction time, having to ADS or not, and if you get the jump on someone do matter but, if they have the higher ROF and you both were to hit shot for shot, in many scenarios the SMG or weapon with the highest ROF and hits on target will win out.

SMGs will still be damn solid at CQC but, just won't perform better than an AR at it's intended range as much. If anything it's just a bullet penalty requiring one to have to restock more if that's even a concern. It's incentive to actually play other weapons aside from SMGs. I'm not sure how out of the blue it is when there were so many people concerned about SMGs outperforming ARs at their optimal use range.

Outrage for the sake of outrage, without even testing the performance and impact once said nerfs take place seems kinda linear minded don't you think? You can still play the game before they go into effect so the performative post about quitting now doesn't accomplish much. You are very much within your right to stop playing the game though. Why did you feel the need to complain about it without even trying it? I get it, nerfs feel bad, but there are more concerning imbalances in the game aside from "oh noes my smg meta". If anything everyone just running around with SMGs gets kinda stale.

Doesn't mean one haven't felt the change ingame that removes off the right to complain. The changes doesn't need to be felt but seeing the huge drop offs......

You are well within your right to complain, just as the devs are allowed to do what they want with their game? If it's a bad idea then the players will stop playing and the game will die, then the miserable doomsayers imposing their malcontent with something can have their 15 seconds of cerebral chemical validation before going back to imposing misery onto something else. Damage aside from the the UMP is untouched. If you are talking about the damage fall off at range yes there is a potential "DPS loss" at the exceeded ranges. If you are trying to dual an AR at their optimal range they may win more? Should you just be able to run SMG with no sort of trade off?

People running ARs or DMRs, or even the rare CQC psychopath Snipers have to deal with SMGs when in SMGs effect range and lose out at times. To say that SMGs should have no trouble outside of a logical effective range for their intended role comes off as only thinking about your enjoyment, lets not pretend you care about other SMG users.

I dunno, at the end of the day it's just a game and there will be changes good and bad, but it's that much of an issue you can always play a different game. Just ignore the sunken cost fallacy and innate sense of ownership of a game that is moving a different direction than what you want. It's perfectly fine to say "this ain't for me" and move on. You didn't even need to make this post honestly. If you stopped playing and others that aren't a fan stop then "the message" is delivered to the devs.

These kinda posts accomplish nothing else but screaming into the ether and dumping negativity because one can. I'm sure my post falls into that criteria as well. Now where are we? In a circle jerk that accomplishes nothing. So play the game or don't. I'm sure you can find something that is right up your alley and checks all the boxes.

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Originally posted by SinRiddenSoul:

Originally posted by Euphoria:

Doesn't mean one haven't felt the change ingame that removes off the right to complain. The changes doesn't need to be felt but seeing the huge drop offs......

You are well within your right to complain, just as the devs are allowed to do what they want with their game? If it's a bad idea then the players will stop playing and the game will die, then the miserable doomsayers imposing their malcontent with something can have their 15 seconds of cerebral chemical validation before going back to imposing misery onto something else. Damage aside from the the UMP is untouched. If you are talking about the damage fall off at range yes there is a potential "DPS loss" at the exceeded ranges. If you are trying to dual an AR at their optimal range they may win more? Should you just be able to run SMG with no sort of trade off?

People running ARs or DMRs, or even the rare CQC psychopath Snipers have to deal with SMGs when in SMGs effect range and lose out at times. To say that SMGs should have no trouble outside of a logical effective range for their intended role comes off as only thinking about your enjoyment, lets not pretend you care about other SMG users.

I dunno, at the end of the day it's just a game and there will be changes good and bad, but it's that much of an issue you can always play a different game. Just ignore the sunken cost fallacy and innate sense of ownership of a game that is moving a different direction than what you want. It's perfectly fine to say "this ain't for me" and move on. You didn't even need to make this post honestly. If you stopped playing and others that aren't a fan stop then "the message" is delivered to the devs.

These kinda posts accomplish nothing else but screaming into the ether and dumping negativity because one can. I'm sure my post falls into that criteria as well. Now where are we? In a circle jerk that accomplishes nothing. So play the game or don't. I'm sure you can find something that is right up your alley and checks all the boxes.

Even if this post accomplish nothing, the ability to post discussions are there

[SinRiddenSoul]

Originally posted by Euphoria:

Originally posted by SinRiddenSoul:

You are well within your right to complain, just as the devs are allowed to do what they want with their game? If it's a bad idea then the players will stop playing and the game will die, then the miserable doomsayers imposing their malcontent with something can have their 15 seconds of cerebral chemical validation before going back to imposing misery onto something else. Damage aside from the the UMP is untouched. If you are talking about the damage fall off at range yes there is a potential "DPS loss" at the exceeded ranges. If you are trying to dual an AR at their optimal range they may win more? Should you just be able to run SMG with no sort of trade off?

People running ARs or DMRs, or even the rare CQC psychopath Snipers have to deal with SMGs when in SMGs effect range and lose out at times. To say that SMGs should have no trouble outside of a logical effective range for their intended role comes off as only thinking about your enjoyment, lets not pretend you care about other SMG users.

I dunno, at the end of the day it's just a game and there will be changes good and bad, but it's that much of an issue you can always play a different game. Just ignore the sunken cost fallacy and innate sense of ownership of a game that is moving a different direction than what you want. It's perfectly fine to say "this ain't for me" and move on. You didn't even need to make this post honestly. If you stopped playing and others that aren't a fan stop then "the message" is delivered to the devs.

These kinda posts accomplish nothing else but screaming into the ether and dumping negativity because one can. I'm sure my post falls into that criteria as well. Now where are we? In a circle jerk that accomplishes nothing. So play the game or don't. I'm sure you can find something that is right up your alley and checks all the boxes.

Even if this post accomplish nothing, the ability to post discussions are there

True but I find discussions to be in good faith.
"now I'm starting to believe devs arw on milsim type and killing this game for semi casual gamers, thank you devs for making the game more flopped".

I feel is not a good faith opener to spark constructive discussion exchange. You haven't even elaborated as to why you feel the changes are bad, to even offer up your experience as a player playing SMGs. You made a summary neg dump without any real feedback. You brought nothing to the table like, suggestions to buff other weapons to make SMGs not feel as OP would've been a solid suggestion, but you didn't take that route.

If anything I would've appreciated if you had done so instead of getting caught up in feelings and trying to go for a dunk stating it'd "make the game more flopped". I supposed a discussion would still be had but it wouldn't be of a net positive contribution.

[Leo]

SMG's are fine. You just suck

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Originally posted by SinRiddenSoul:

Originally posted by Euphoria:

Even if this post accomplish nothing, the ability to post discussions are there

True but I find discussions to be in good faith.
"now I'm starting to believe devs arw on milsim type and killing this game for semi casual gamers, thank you devs for making the game more flopped".

I feel is not a good faith opener to spark constructive discussion exchange. You haven't even elaborated as to why you feel the changes are bad, to even offer up your experience as a player playing SMGs. You made a summary neg dump without any real feedback. You brought nothing to the table like, suggestions to buff other weapons to make SMGs not feel as OP would've been a solid suggestion, but you didn't take that route.

If anything I would've appreciated if you had done so instead of getting caught up in feelings and trying to go for a dunk stating it'd "make the game more flopped". I supposed a discussion would still be had but it wouldn't be of a net positive contribution.

its just a rant post, feel free to stop commenting instead if yet I could have closed this if steam has an option

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The topic is just getting weirder now, imma unsubscribe instead