all guns and attachments etc unlocked from start

[donut32]

hey, it isnt 2012 anymore and this isnt an mmo. WHY, do you devs, get this idea in your head that ♥♥♥♥ grinding ♥♥♥♥ is fun,

it isnt.

just unlock everything off the rip

[Prophet419]

Sorry to say man, this is one of those games the grind exists for a reason. At the end of the day a new gun does not make the game different at all. If you arent enjoying it at the current stage, stop playing it. Move on to something that does fit your sandbox lifestyles

[ousqa]

Prophet419님이 먼저 게시:

Sorry to say man, this is one of those games the grind exists for a reason. At the end of the day a new gun does not make the game different at all. If you arent enjoying it at the current stage, stop playing it. Move on to something that does fit your sandbox lifestyles

Idk for me the grind just makes it less fun, it seems others here feel the same. It's not that bad but just unfortunate it's there

[Prophet419]

ousqa님이 먼저 게시:

Prophet419님이 먼저 게시:

Sorry to say man, this is one of those games the grind exists for a reason. At the end of the day a new gun does not make the game different at all. If you arent enjoying it at the current stage, stop playing it. Move on to something that does fit your sandbox lifestyles

Idk for me the grind just makes it less fun, it seems others here feel the same. It's not that bad but just unfortunate it's there

Early access titles have ALWAYS had this issue and they basically always will until people push out nearly finished games. I can guarantee the grind will feel less grindy 6-12 months from now when its had actual content updates

[StevenT475]

yeah a little BS when you join a match against high level players who have best weapons, best attachments, and armor that lets them soak up round and flip around and 1 tap you

[ousqa]

StevenT475님이 먼저 게시:

yeah a little BS when you join a match against high level players who have best weapons, best attachments, and armor that lets them soak up round and flip around and 1 tap you

Yeah but just use the mp7 or m4 and you can kill them fast

[ousqa]

Prophet419님이 먼저 게시:

ousqa님이 먼저 게시:

Idk for me the grind just makes it less fun, it seems others here feel the same. It's not that bad but just unfortunate it's there

Early access titles have ALWAYS had this issue and they basically always will until people push out nearly finished games. I can guarantee the grind will feel less grindy 6-12 months from now when its had actual content updates

Yeah I didn't realize how many people actually liked grinding in games like this until this post to be honest. I still feel like missions to unlock weapons would be better, like get a snipe over 500 meters with the default sniper to get the next one, or finish with a certain kd to unlock the next SMG or something like that.

[Prophet419]

StevenT475님이 먼저 게시:

yeah a little BS when you join a match against high level players who have best weapons, best attachments, and armor that lets them soak up round and flip around and 1 tap you

Armor has nothing to do with level. Higher level armor is the same exact armor stat just cosmetically different or less armor and higher mobility. Armor is purely class based
Basically goes recon->medic->engineer->assault->support in terms of tankiness

[Prophet419]

ousqa님이 먼저 게시:

Prophet419님이 먼저 게시:

Early access titles have ALWAYS had this issue and they basically always will until people push out nearly finished games. I can guarantee the grind will feel less grindy 6-12 months from now when its had actual content updates

Yeah I didn't realize how many people actually liked grinding in games like this until this post to be honest. I still feel like missions to unlock weapons would be better, like get a snipe over 500 meters with the default sniper to get the next one, or finish with a certain kd to unlock the next SMG or something like that.

I think something like that would be good for cosmetics of each gun. If you add challenges for getting the guns though, what is xp used for now?

[ousqa]

Prophet419님이 먼저 게시:

ousqa님이 먼저 게시:

Yeah I didn't realize how many people actually liked grinding in games like this until this post to be honest. I still feel like missions to unlock weapons would be better, like get a snipe over 500 meters with the default sniper to get the next one, or finish with a certain kd to unlock the next SMG or something like that.

I think something like that would be good for cosmetics of each gun. If you add challenges for getting the guns though, what is xp used for now?

I would do xp for cosmetics, gun kills for sights and like side rail attachments cause they hardly effect gameplay imo and missions for the guns themselves. Have the main attachments come unlocked with the gun when you get it.

[Prophet419]

ousqa님이 먼저 게시:

Prophet419님이 먼저 게시:

I think something like that would be good for cosmetics of each gun. If you add challenges for getting the guns though, what is xp used for now?

I would do xp for cosmetics, gun kills for sights and like side rail attachments cause they hardly effect gameplay imo and missions for the guns themselves. Have the main attachments come unlocked with the gun when you get it.

Well there you go man, start your battlefield like game development. The current devs have their vision, you have yours. Im gonna get some sleep tho goodnight ousqa, glad you could talk like a human and not just scream that your opinion is right like OP

[ousqa]

Prophet419님이 먼저 게시:

ousqa님이 먼저 게시:

I would do xp for cosmetics, gun kills for sights and like side rail attachments cause they hardly effect gameplay imo and missions for the guns themselves. Have the main attachments come unlocked with the gun when you get it.

Well there you go man, start your battlefield like game development. The current devs have their vision, you have yours. Im gonna get some sleep tho goodnight ousqa, glad you could talk like a human and not just scream that your opinion is right like OP

. Maybe if I offer them a cookie they'll take my idea. Unfortunately I'm pretty far from being in a position to make a game like they have. Best I've made was a subway surfers knockoff lol(and that's being very generous). Have a good night man.

[Tazor]

Prophet419님이 먼저 게시:

donut32님이 먼저 게시:

purpose of a video game is to have fun. if you seek purpose in a video game (such as pointlessly grinding for the sake of it just to have a "goal"), other than to just play it, you need a job and some direction

no counter argument is possible

NO ONE IS PLAYING JUST TO UNLOCK STUFF. We enjoy the game already and unlocking new guns purely helps us continue having that same fun if not more. Rather than the game feeling the exact same way since minute 1. If I wanted to have no fun and purely grind I'd go play runescape or WoW. Imagine how fast gaming would die if every single game gave you the instant best things. How disgustingly meta every single game would be from day 1

Counter Strike 1.6 is still alive. Just saying. Back when Call of Duty 4 came out, everyone instantly unlocked everything cos the files with your progress were local.

I hate progression in multiplayer PVP shooters. I will never understand why people like them. This is the equivalent of grinding to unlock new units in Starcraft 2.

I wouldn't be surprised if the devs add tImE sAvEr microtransactions at some point.

[GoldenSnowflake]

The reason Unlocking items is in most games, and just "off the rip" access is not, is due to the Mere-exposure effect, The more you engage in an activity, the more familiar it becomes, and the more enjoyment you receive from it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mere-exposure_effect

Worth a read.

[GoldenSnowflake]

ousqa님이 먼저 게시:

Prophet419님이 먼저 게시:

Ah yes Sandbox games have a very great reputation when it comes to keeping people entertained for longer than 5-10 hours. You might enjoy having nothing to work for but 90% of people dont so when they do unlock a specific gun it feels like you earned the power that comes with said gun. Youre right its not a mmo but its also not a sandbox

Gmod still has 36k 24hr peak even after being out for forever. Minecraft is still super huge, so is roblox. If your sandbox game is boring and losing people it's just a bad game.

Those are the single most modded games, of all time.

Folks literally make entire RPG's utilizing minecraft as a framework.

not even close to comparable to the greater whole that is the other 99.9% of gaming.

(I am bothered by this comparison, though You liking Grind or not, doesn't make you wrong, so bare in mind, I am only bothered by the comparison in this case.)

[Sebi1106]

donut32님이 먼저 게시:

no, its not a bad take, youve been wrong all thread. locking guns behind hours of pointless grinding is dumb, and theres no other possible school of thought on this. if you disagree youre just wrong, flat out.

discussion ended

what a actual cringelord.....
you cant end every statement you make in a discussion with:
"if you disagree your just wrong, flat out"
"no counterargument is possible"
"discussion ended"

bruh... get a grip xD

I enjoy the grind. I am currently level 67... so i approach level 70.
I am excited all day, because i know when i get home from work, i can hop on and finish my journey to level 70.
(yes i have a job. Yes i still get satisfaction from reaching personal goals in my freetime. Unbelievable i know... you thought only jobless plebs need goals in videogames.... but here i am....)
I am hyped to be using the Vector. I was hyped to be finally using the SV98. I was hyped to unlock the Groza....
RIGHT NOW i get dopamine from the sheer thought of reaching my next goal.
What is your counterargument against my emotion? tell me.

My next goal will be lvl 100 to unlock the m200.

You will just say i could been using those weapons right from the start.... but that would take away all of the fun for me.

I like a long grind. I like to use all of the diffrent guns along the way.
Whenever i unlock a gun i play with it 3 round just to get the ~200 kills to unlock a good chunck of the accessorys.
It keeps the game fresh for me. Every day i am using something diffrent. And i have something to work towards.
i LOVE the grind! i will prestige the second i reach 200, just for that nice golden UMP skin.

I guess we are build diffrent, buddy.

But please please please stop that "no counterargument is possible".... People work diffrently. You need to realize that. Just because YOU dont like something, doesnt mean others cant like it.
I enjoy the game for what it is, i would play it even when you have everything unlocked. So dont even start the "if you need a permanent goal, you dont enjoy the game for what it is".
Unlocking content i want to use just gives that little bit of meaning to the endless hours you spend in a game.