MMR Ratings?

[Nightmare1]

What is "good" MMR? Middling? Bad or low tier?

I assume anything over 1,000 is "good?"

I am super casual and was curious. I recently got matched against a couple of guys 100+ MMR higher than me and got owned, so it made me wonder just how effective MMR is as a measure of skill as well as when I should start to worry when I see a higher MMR.

[You'reJustBad]

no idea, im around the 850 mark, and ive had folks in 600 whoop my ass, and ive demolished people above 1000 so...

[Masao [CdE]]

It's quite subjective, but for me to be good, it requires to know and apply the game fundamentals, and for now i would say it's around 1500-1600.

Personnaly i'm close to 2100 mmr, and it's almost impossible for a 1500-1600 player to beat me. They know the game on many aspect, but lacks on others aspect to much.

It can vary a lot from different players, some fails against aggro, some fails in late game, some are too passive, some waits to long to put a real answer and create a threat, some have quite mediocre placement, some lacks on reading the fights (and thus got to wrong conclusions). And it's quite common for most ot them, that they don't exploit weaknesses of the opponent enough.

But atleast they all know the fundamentals well, "chaff, chaffclear, dps", they don't go for 20 differents answers for one thing, they have okay apprciation around the speed of different units, their economy/tempo is most of the time ok.

I'm saying all of this, because i played a good amount of games against people around that mmr and a bit higher on the french mecahbellum discord.

[Etho]

Originally posted by Nightmare1:

What is "good" MMR? Middling? Bad or low tier?

I assume anything over 1,000 is "good?"

I am super casual and was curious. I recently got matched against a couple of guys 100+ MMR higher than me and got owned, so it made me wonder just how effective MMR is as a measure of skill as well as when I should start to worry when I see a higher MMR.

If you really need to know how good your MMR is you can use your position in the rank and assume a normal distribution of skill.

I don't have the data here, but I think 1000 should be pretty close to the average in the beginning of a season as the top is around 2100.

So if you reached 1000 you should have about as much people behind you as you have ahead of you, which is not a bad thing because you are in a position where there is a lot of people to play with around your level (the maximum you can get actually) and you have plenty of space to improve.

[Sonnenbank]

Difficult to say.
The more players there are the higher the average mmr will be without actually being better.

1000mmr right now is definitely not good.
It means you have some idea about some basics but in the big picture dont understand much about the game.

A good basic understanding of "chaff wars" alone will allready get you to 1400mmr+

I would say if you play regularly but are less than 1400mmr you are still pretty damn bad.

The amount of games you play also matters a lot.
i think i am currently 1380 or something (didnt play much last season and then -200mmr automatically appoed with season reset) but only played 8 games this season and i am 6-2 this season with 2 close losses and 6 roflstomps.

if you have a 70% winrate and play 10 games you get ~ + 65mmr
if you have a 55% winrate and play 100 games you get ~ + 230mmr

So from a 1400 baseline 1 player would be 1465 and the other one 1630mmr but the 1st player is probably a better player.

you only know your true mmr when it has not moved much over the last ~ 30-40 games

[Colonel Poochie]

so what does mmr do actually? can i pickup chicks with a higher rating?

[Alpha]

read my threads. then u can see that whole 1200-1700 mmr is just random ♥♥♥♥. people with no skill with 1700 and chinese with 1200 that stomp u in the ground with never seen laming tactics.

[Nightmare1]

Originally posted by Masao CdE:

It's quite subjective, but for me to be good, it requires to know and apply the game fundamentals, and for now i would say it's around 1500-1600.

Personnaly i'm close to 2100 mmr, and it's almost impossible for a 1500-1600 player to beat me. They know the game on many aspect, but lacks on others aspect to much.

It can vary a lot from different players, some fails against aggro, some fails in late game, some are too passive, some waits to long to put a real answer and create a threat, some have quite mediocre placement, some lacks on reading the fights (and thus got to wrong conclusions). And it's quite common for most ot them, that they don't exploit weaknesses of the opponent enough.

But atleast they all know the fundamentals well, "chaff, chaffclear, dps", they don't go for 20 differents answers for one thing, they have okay apprciation around the speed of different units, their economy/tempo is most of the time ok.

I'm saying all of this, because i played a good amount of games against people around that mmr and a bit higher on the french mecahbellum discord.

Good to know! Also, impressive MMR!

[Nightmare1]

Originally posted by Etho:

Originally posted by Nightmare1:

What is "good" MMR? Middling? Bad or low tier?

I assume anything over 1,000 is "good?"

I am super casual and was curious. I recently got matched against a couple of guys 100+ MMR higher than me and got owned, so it made me wonder just how effective MMR is as a measure of skill as well as when I should start to worry when I see a higher MMR.

If you really need to know how good your MMR is you can use your position in the rank and assume a normal distribution of skill.

I don't have the data here, but I think 1000 should be pretty close to the average in the beginning of a season as the top is around 2100.

So if you reached 1000 you should have about as much people behind you as you have ahead of you, which is not a bad thing because you are in a position where there is a lot of people to play with around your level (the maximum you can get actually) and you have plenty of space to improve.

Ah, got it. I'm just putzing around then in the 700-800 MMR range.

[Nightmare1]

Originally posted by Sonnenbank:

Difficult to say.
The more players there are the higher the average mmr will be without actually being better.

1000mmr right now is definitely not good.
It means you have some idea about some basics but in the big picture dont understand much about the game.

A good basic understanding of "chaff wars" alone will allready get you to 1400mmr+

I would say if you play regularly but are less than 1400mmr you are still pretty damn bad.

The amount of games you play also matters a lot.
i think i am currently 1380 or something (didnt play much last season and then -200mmr automatically appoed with season reset) but only played 8 games this season and i am 6-2 this season with 2 close losses and 6 roflstomps.

if you have a 70% winrate and play 10 games you get ~ + 65mmr
if you have a 55% winrate and play 100 games you get ~ + 230mmr

So from a 1400 baseline 1 player would be 1465 and the other one 1630mmr but the 1st player is probably a better player.

you only know your true mmr when it has not moved much over the last ~ 30-40 games

Ouch! I'm terrible then.

I do agree about playing a lot of games though. I don't play enough to be good at it since I only play about a game or two in the evening, a few nights a week.

[Nightmare1]

Originally posted by Colonel Poochie:

so what does mmr do actually? can i pickup chicks with a higher rating?

That made me laugh!

[Etho]

Originally posted by Nightmare1:

Ouch! I'm terrible then.

I do agree about playing a lot of games though. I don't play enough to be good at it since I only play about a game or two in the evening, a few nights a week.

There is nothing wrong about playing casually as long as you are getting fun from it.

As I said earlier the great thing about being on average is that you will have a lot of people to play with and therefore a wide variety of suboptimal but fun play, and as you play more you will get naturally better.

At least for me the joy of understanding something I previously didn't is part of the fun and having space to improve gives you plenty of opportunity for that.

[Nightmare1]

Originally posted by Etho:

Originally posted by Nightmare1:

Ouch! I'm terrible then.

I do agree about playing a lot of games though. I don't play enough to be good at it since I only play about a game or two in the evening, a few nights a week.

There is nothing wrong about playing casually as long as you are getting fun from it.

As I said earlier the great thing about being on average is that you will have a lot of people to play with and therefore a wide variety of suboptimal but fun play, and as you play more you will get naturally better.

At least for me the joy of understanding something I previously didn't is part of the fun and having space to improve gives you plenty of opportunity for that.

There's a lot of truth in that. I used to play competitively in MWO and was very good at it, but I found I enjoyed the game less the more competitive I became. It became work, like a second job.

I do enjoy a lot of see-saw matches in my current MMR though. It makes it fun since there is give-and-take and the matches are not one-sided.