Help vs Wasp + Steel Balls

[Sonnenbank]

So after doing lots of matches vs CPU i finally tried multiplayer for the first time today.

Played 18 matches and went 10-8 now 280 powerranking
Most games were kinda even.

But 1 game i got steamrolled so hard and being a noob i have no idea what i did wrong.

My opponent went massive amount of Wasps with all upgrades and supported them with stell balls who had that upgrade that damage is spread among them.

Seeing Mustangs are the natural counter to wasps i did build level 2 mustangs with air-attack and missle intercept upgrade. I did build a couple Fortress + Fang vs the Steel Balls which was probably a mistake.

But what really surprised me was how insane fully upgraded level 3 wasps were vs my Mustangs dual upgrade (Air attack + missle intercept) level 3 Mustangs...
tbh my Mustangs barely won .. it was almost even

end he always managed to kill my towers with steel baals before i cleaned them
which made his wasps then kill my mustangs....

It was ridiculous

In the last round he had like 20 Wasps and i had like 10 Mustangs

He only massed these 2 units and did nothing else.
every round he did 2 wasps 1 ball or 3 wasps and i tried to counter with 2-3 mustangs
and ocassionally some fangs or 1 fortress inbetween

edit:
And he also disconnected after he won....so that he didnt get points >-<
so i assume he was not as low as his rating

[Garuda One]

First thing, I don’t think missile intercept even does anything against wasps? A better bet woulda been: AA spec+range and maybe dmg.

The real problem sounds like the balls to me. I’m not a pro by any means. I consider myself decent at best, but my impulse here is fangs with burn+ a few melting points with range+multi target and maybe their emp missiles if you run that.

[qyk]

Get that fat laser out for the linked balls

[Sentorian]

For steel balls ramping damage lasers (your own steel balls or melting points), ignite (fangs better than vulcan) or any of the emp/tech disable upgrades + good single target damage will generally handle them fine. Generally good to have chaff (like fangs or crawlers) to bog them down in front of your solution of choice. Mustangs should be able to take care of wasps efficiently. Missile Intercept doesn't do anything against wasps afaik. Buyable missiles can do good work against wasps, or at least pop shields.

[Antpile]

The factor you are missing here is the importance of those wasps being level 3+. If his wasps are level 3 and your mustangs are all level 1 and 2, it doesn't really matter that they supposedly counter wasps. They are just too outleveled. I mean, if the wasps didn't have all 4 upgrade they might have done alright.

You can also build wasps out to be pretty strong against mustangs. If you take ground specialization for 200% bonus to ground and range those wasps will trade pretty well with mustangs. If you add in explosive shot or barrier, now they'll straight up win unless you're well upgraded as well.

Really, it sounds like you waited too long to start countering his wasps. Getting all 4 upgrades is EXPENSIVE. That plus the fact that he had a ton of them at lvl 3 tells me that he had them all game and you didn't shut them down. Then he got his upgrades online and you just got rolled.

For future reference, you can counter wasps better sometimes with overlords or arclites with anti-air. Arclites can blow up 4 or 5 of them a shot pretty easy, and they shoot pretty fast.

[Sonnenbank]

His wasps and my mustangs had a bout the same level. So no Level difference was not the Problem.
The fight between the wasps and my mustangs was pretty even
then my tower gets destroyed by balls and i lose

And yes i was surprised to see all upragdes on the Wasps since thats insanely expensive

I dont know how missle intercept works so yeha that was a mistake it seems ;)

but thx for all the tipps.
handling the balls better was probably the key point.
Melting Point + Fangs with burn is what i take with me

I did build fangs + Fortress but i didnt use the fangs upgrades

[puschit]

Lol, so the tower loss explains everything :)

More things you could have done in this situation:
The Fortress has an AA abilitiy to deal with Wasps
but Fortress still loses to Balls, Melting Point would have been the better solution
You can buy stationary shields. If they cover the Mustangs they will have the edge over Wasps.

[Sonnenbank]

Tower loss caused by not being able to handle the balls tower rush ;)
but ofc i could have handeld steel balls rush better if my mustangs did kill the wasps faster and instead slowed the balls down

i also think this player was better/more experienced
Since he disocnnected after he won....

and so far from all the matches i played he was the only one who steamrolled me.
just played 4 matches right now and went 4-0 vs clearly a lot less experienced players with the same rating

i dont think a real 300 combat rating player like me would go all-in on upgrades on his wasps....
A 300combat player like me doesnt even know what 50% of the upgrades do and
gos missle intercept on mustang vs wasps ^^

[puschit]

Steamrolling is inevitable, it will happen every other game no matter what. Some units, like Steelballs, will escalate hard if not dealt with (in this case because they can heal themselves).
So, get used to it, it is rarely a single unit that caused the steamroll, in most cases it is a combination of several things that causes one particular unit to dominate.

[Sonnenbank]

Damn another game were i just couldnt stop the Steelballs tower rush....
maybe i reacted too late...

I tried fangs + burn damage and Melting Pot but he backed it up with Snipers and crawlers and i could not prevent him from destroying my tower
i think i should start recording and upload videos ^^

EDIT:

Its funny i watched jrm1ah on 12.500 combat rating and he went 6-0 doing steel balls tower rush and nobody at 12.000 cr could stop it.

He said the natural counter would be the Overlord ship but then he can simply go Phoenix and its GG.

So steel ball tower rush with crawler behind it and some ranged units seems extremly hard to handle when 6 different guys at 12.500 could not stop it from killing the tower even 1 round

He killed the damn tower every single round (starting from round 2) vs 6 different guys