Marksman OP

[Toofar]

Again, the marksman take the control of the field. Cheap to upgrade, powerfull and beating almost everything.
10 marksman and the win is garanty.
Hope there will be a nerf on this...
Very boring, the only counter is to play the same way.

[GoMeZ-T.T ™©®]

Origineel geplaatst door PrinzMegahertz:

Origineel geplaatst door GoMeZ-T.T ™©®:

he just means aside from units the guy who has units + 10 snipers will gurantee win the fight/game. and this is 100% true. the guy without snipers always lose. plz wake up.

you can try it out, you will never outplay 10 fully upgraded snipers as support. zero chance. nuke was the only counter to this.

now you have to go snipers too.

Origineel geplaatst door GoMeZ-T.T ™©®:

he just means aside from units the guy who has units + 10 snipers will gurantee win the fight/game. and this is 100% true. the guy without snipers always lose. plz wake up.

you can try it out, you will never outplay 10 fully upgraded snipers as support. zero chance. nuke was the only counter to this.

now you have to go snipers too.

I already wrote why this is wrong. Wake up!

I already wrote that this is 100% true. Stfu!

[BrutalGlory]

Origineel geplaatst door TheDeadlyShoe:

Origineel geplaatst door Antpile:

What? How do you figure? One of the best counters to steel balls are marksmen. Steel balls can only tank Marksmen shots well if you get a level lead before he really starts going hard on the MM. It's a lot harder to level up steel balls than it is marksmen, though, and if the marksmen stay even level or get ahead those steel balls melt like butter.

Disassembly upgrade means that when the marksmen kill one steel ball they screw themselves because now there's more crawlers.

Freespawn in general screws marksmen pretty hard.

While you can say 'oh, the marksmen just use EM shot', in practice you aren't getting god range, god firepower, and em shot upgrades all at the same time. If you do your marksmen have straight up lost the cost efficiency that they're supposed to be good at.

Nonsense, if your opponent invests heavily in balls and you get EM shot you've just invalidated a bunch of their investment. You can still afford godlike range with that kind of value lead; an extra 1,000 at most to invalidate their minimum 1,000 investment only puts you ahead.

[Semper Fil]

Let me guess: you never deploy Crawlers because you think they're "tiny little trash units, useless, what are they gonna do lol"
Did I get it right OP

[Proper Skux]

Marksmen are *very* annoying because they're the easiest unit to use in the game.

But you can do like, extended range Callers, Crawlers on the flank and pretty much anything that puts chaff on the field.

You just have to be aggressive with them before the marksmen hit that critical mass of levels and units. It's on you to beat the marksmen player's static line, not on him to beat yours.

[GoMeZ-T.T ™©®]

Origineel geplaatst door Semper Fil:

Let me guess: you never deploy Crawlers because you think they're "tiny little trash units, useless, what are they gonna do lol"
Did I get it right OP

crawlers are completely useless in the game when he has snipers already. ad 2-4 arcs and 2 flame big guys and freewin. you talk ♥♥♥♥ and have zero clue about the game. I never won with crawlers vs high elo players.

that works on 2-4k elo. not higher. not a single game.

[BrutalGlory]

Origineel geplaatst door GoMeZ-T.T ™©®:

Origineel geplaatst door Semper Fil:

Let me guess: you never deploy Crawlers because you think they're "tiny little trash units, useless, what are they gonna do lol"
Did I get it right OP

crawlers are completely useless in the game when he has snipers already. ad 2-4 arcs and 2 flame big guys and freewin. you talk ♥♥♥♥ and have zero clue about the game. I never won with crawlers vs high elo players.

that works on 2-4k elo. not higher. not a single game.

Any player with so much as two rocks to smash together and make a spark in their brain will build a few arclights. God forbid they already have mustangs which absolutely shred crawlers. I'm guessing this guy is the kind of person that spams crawlers and has never seen someone drop a vulcan to deal with it.

[Garuda One]

Always neat when these threads devolve into “I’m not stupid, stupid!”

They’re annoying but they’re not inherently OP. As with other strategies if you’re not on top of the counter play quickly it can quickly spiral out of control or feel like you’re getting choked out if your opponent is good and predicts what you’re gonna try to do. Such as the nature of games like this.

I still think if you bump their cost to 150 that would be good. At the very least dissuades the “everyone buying 2 marksman round 1” thing that is very common and a bit stale to me.

[Sonnenbank]

I am confident heavy focus on building lots of Marksman will not survive proxy frontline steelballs + crawlers behind them and some ocassional arclight into -> Tower rushing one side. (also buy speed upgrade every round in later rounds)

Seen 12.500 combat rating games yesterday and this strat went 6-0 on 12.500cr before finally someone could stop it with Fangs + Vulkans (with modules) + that 50supply rocket thingy

and even then it was pretty close

[Antpile]

Origineel geplaatst door GoMeZ-T.T ™©®:

Origineel geplaatst door Semper Fil:

Let me guess: you never deploy Crawlers because you think they're "tiny little trash units, useless, what are they gonna do lol"
Did I get it right OP

crawlers are completely useless in the game when he has snipers already. ad 2-4 arcs and 2 flame big guys and freewin. you talk ♥♥♥♥ and have zero clue about the game. I never won with crawlers vs high elo players.

that works on 2-4k elo. not higher. not a single game.

You are super bad then. I'm at 12-13k, and crawlers pretty much make or break most of my matches. It isn't that the crawlers are doing damage, it is that whichever one of us runs out of crawlers to distract shots first loses that round most of the time.

If you think crawlers aren't used in high level games, you are so very wrong. They may just be the most important unit in the game.

[GoMeZ-T.T ™©®]

Origineel geplaatst door Antpile:

Origineel geplaatst door GoMeZ-T.T ™©®:

crawlers are completely useless in the game when he has snipers already. ad 2-4 arcs and 2 flame big guys and freewin. you talk ♥♥♥♥ and have zero clue about the game. I never won with crawlers vs high elo players.

that works on 2-4k elo. not higher. not a single game.

You are super bad then. I'm at 12-13k, and crawlers pretty much make or break most of my matches. It isn't that the crawlers are doing damage, it is that whichever one of us runs out of crawlers to distract shots first loses that round most of the time.

If you think crawlers aren't used in high level games, you are so very wrong. They may just be the most important unit in the game.

U suck. Build arclight and crawlers do not get a single lvl up the entire game. no one cares about lvl 1 units. they can be a good addition to a combo as support or short time meetshield for something. but you said spam crawlers to counter snipers. complete nonsense. u suck as hell. I dont give a ♥♥♥♥ about your elo. I know the game better. u suck 100% prooved with everything you wrote. gz to that. I would stomp you instant.

crawlers are useful in some situations as an addition. but never as the guy said "make crawlers and you counter snipers" WTF? this will not work in any single game. cause arclight and flame guys. damn. those guys who post here have zero clue. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ elo hell. feels like League of Legends chat.

[Sonnenbank]

So go BO 3 him and go Snipers every game to proof your point ?
Should be easy if what you tell is true

also its funny you do use the term El0-Hell
"which means being stuck at a lower rating because of bad random teammates in solo que"

pretty funny for a 1v1 PvP game >-<

[Iso Koala]

Crawlers are imho just cannon fodder to distract enemies cheaply, but can be countered easily late on to serve more function. Then again, I am not a pro, to claim others suck and I am the best.

[Sonnenbank]

Just had a game were someone heavily invested into Marksman

I did beat him going Overlord + Crawler and Mustangs for drawing his sniper shots + missile (that 50 supply) to get rid of his own cannon fodder fast

worked pretty good.

OFC Overlord lose vs Sniper
But Overlords win vs Sniper when the Sniper aim at the mustangs + crawlers instead

and he ofc also did build canon fodder to counter (Mustangs and crawler) but since he invested so much into Marksman i simply had more of them

Ofc he was a noob , but so am I since i started this game only couple days ago

[Archetype of Greg]

Origineel geplaatst door GoMeZ-T.T ™©®:

Origineel geplaatst door Semper Fil:

Let me guess: you never deploy Crawlers because you think they're "tiny little trash units, useless, what are they gonna do lol"
Did I get it right OP

crawlers are completely useless in the game when he has snipers already. ad 2-4 arcs and 2 flame big guys and freewin. you talk ♥♥♥♥ and have zero clue about the game. I never won with crawlers vs high elo players.

that works on 2-4k elo. not higher. not a single game.

Instructions unclear, just won a game with mass crawlers at 11K cr. pls send help. (they did not pick up any Vulcans because the crawlers were too spread out and had phoenix support)

[Polar Test 53]

yeah i used to think they were pretty op. they are still good units to start with.

im finding alot of things being to op is just circumstance. like i just won a game by building 3 crawlers every turn i could and placing them in every spot right on the border. untill he built a vulcan or something but he didnt even last long enough to do that.

i dont think crawlers are op by any means though but against single target bots they do wonders they can even overwhelm anti horde with enough of them and if the opponent doesnt do something about them in time and they can out level everything.