How much of an issue/feature is rng in this game?

[vukotlak]

So i have not done a lot of matches maybe 20. As far as i can tell there is some RNG in the game and i wonder what you guys think about this.

For example those "Missile launcher" forgot the name. They seem to have some rng in how they spread the missiles.

The thing is. If you use a normal rhino lv 1 and the enemy does the same the outcome will be that those rhinos kill each other. Even if for some case 1 rhino wins due to netcode incohrence or whatnot the other rhino would be as good as dead.

Those missile launcher however seem to have tremendous relience on rng luck. Sometimes they flatten an entire squadron with 1 atk and sometimes they barely touch it.

Same goes for the anti air defenso of the fortress. I was fighting a dude with many of those long range bombers. he had 6 of em close together. In 1 round m,y fortress killed em all in 1 barrage and in another he only took out 1 of em. This has tremendous impact on the outcome.

Would it be better if there is no rng in missile spread or general rng.

I am not suggesting it would be better. I would just like to hear some opinions.

[Sonnenbank]

RNG doesnt really matter in the long run.

It can be deciding over 1 match..... but over 50+ matches everybody gets the same
RNG

same lucky situations and same unlucky situations
Overall a bit of RNG is good for creating emotions.

OFC too much RNG is bad
but i dont feel like this game has a ton of RNG

[Rhonox]

I would personally say there is very minimal rng, and it is a non-issue.

outside of the 2 units you listed using the barrage type of attack, i cant even think of any other rng. both of which have pros and cons, and counters and benefits.

[vukotlak]

I am not saying there are any issues. The thing is exactly what you say. There is almost no rng at all in the game. So my question is should there be rng at all when rng is actualy a non factor anyway.

Wouldn't it be more fitting to have no rng. To have a missile spread that allways uses the same path. Let the air defense missile be shots "ON TARGET" like any other projectile in the game.

It's not about realism or anything. I just think it is odd that basicly all units have no rng except a few. That rng can turn the outcome of a match so it is definatly an issue.

Even if you only win just 1 round by it.

Imagine you start a boxing match and suddenly it says "hey pal your opponent gets a FREE blow".

What's the point.

[Sonnenbank]

the point of rng is creating emotions

[Rhonox]

there also may be rng in how mustangs shoot down projectiles like from overloards. but im not positive on that.

there is almost no rng right now, which i think is great. i would not want to add more rng, it is a skill/tactics game.

the amount of rng currently is a non-issue for me. if they add even more rng it could become an issue i think. there is no point in removing or changing something if it isnt an issue.

in boxing 1 free blow already becomes an issue, thats a pretty bad example. the rng in this game does not change the outcome of a whole match. that example could literally change the outcome of a match

[vukotlak]

Originally posted by Rhonox:

in boxing 1 free blow already becomes an issue, thats a pretty bad example. the rng in this game does not change the outcome of a whole match. that example could literally change the outcome of a match

Yes it does. I had a match where my rhino was walking towards the enemy and the barrage barely scratched him. The enemy thino got torn apart as my missile hit him full force.

This was the deciding factor for that match. Next round my rhino was lv 2 and his barely got any xp.

Infact this was the moment i decidet to write this post. It was kinda funny at first cause i placed my rhino and he did literaly exactly the same move just on the other lane.

His rhino run into my melee creeps and mine into his. my barrage annihilated his rhino as i said and mine barely got hit. then my rhino had a free path to his missile launcher and base.

It's not a small issue it can infact decide a match.

[Rhonox]

if the small amount of rng in this game is changing the outcome of your games it probably a skill issue unfortunately.

its such a small amount of rng, that if it is making you lose, you really lost because of a different reason, probably ineffective counters.

there is a reason why there are close to 0 complains on this, its because its such a small amount of rng that the overwhelming majority of players dont see a problem with how little rng there is in the game

[vukotlak]

Originally posted by Rhonox:

if the small amount of rng in this game is changing the outcome of your games it probably a skill issue unfortunately.

its such a small amount of rng, that if it is making you lose, you really lost because of a different reason, probably ineffective counters.

there is a reason why there are close to 0 complains on this, its because its such a small amount of rng that the overwhelming majority of players dont see a problem with how little rng there is in the game

You lack some incredible reading comprehension.

1. I said it's not an issue.
2. Never complained about anything.
3. I gave you a direct example how it can change outcome of a match. It's not a "skill" thing when my rhino survives a barrage and his not. This is literaly the opposite of "skill" it's luck.

I wanted to hear peoples opinions. You obviously rather try to talk same smack. I don't think we need another keyboard warrior in the steam forums there is plenty of em already.

[Rhonox]

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[Tungdil12]

Originally posted by vukotlak:

Originally posted by Rhonox:

in boxing 1 free blow already becomes an issue, thats a pretty bad example. the rng in this game does not change the outcome of a whole match. that example could literally change the outcome of a match

Yes it does. I had a match where my rhino was walking towards the enemy and the barrage barely scratched him. The enemy thino got torn apart as my missile hit him full force.

This was the deciding factor for that match. Next round my rhino was lv 2 and his barely got any xp.

Infact this was the moment i decidet to write this post. It was kinda funny at first cause i placed my rhino and he did literaly exactly the same move just on the other lane.

His rhino run into my melee creeps and mine into his. my barrage annihilated his rhino as i said and mine barely got hit. then my rhino had a free path to his missile launcher and base.

It's not a small issue it can infact decide a match.

It sounds to me that your anecdote actually didnt happen because of rng, but because the enemy stormcallers shot before your rhino engaged his crawlers, and yours shot slightly after his rhino engaged your crawlers. Thats why his stormcallers missed and yours hit.

The reason I believe this is the case, is because stormcaller rng isn't that big and a rhino will almost dodge all of the rockets every time when they are moving.

[Purple Sauce]

Depends, imo there is enough where it can be an issue. You can be hard countered at the start of the game and when you recognize this you should honestly save your time and just surrender. If it's against a lesser skilled opponent you can obviously pull through but we are assuming equal skill here.

[Purple Sauce]

Originally posted by vukotlak:

Originally posted by Rhonox:

in boxing 1 free blow already becomes an issue, thats a pretty bad example. the rng in this game does not change the outcome of a whole match. that example could literally change the outcome of a match

Yes it does. I had a match where my rhino was walking towards the enemy and the barrage barely scratched him. The enemy thino got torn apart as my missile hit him full force.

This was the deciding factor for that match. Next round my rhino was lv 2 and his barely got any xp.

Infact this was the moment i decidet to write this post. It was kinda funny at first cause i placed my rhino and he did literaly exactly the same move just on the other lane.

His rhino run into my melee creeps and mine into his. my barrage annihilated his rhino as i said and mine barely got hit. then my rhino had a free path to his missile launcher and base.

It's not a small issue it can infact decide a match.

Talking to people on this forum is a waste of time. They don't understand how impactful missles or nukes are and how this is an XP based game and you can literally deny someone's units XP with missles. And to say "just use shields to counter them" if you don't know the missle is there and you have units to upgrade/buy, you may not have the funds to even think about that even IF you knew the missle was there.

[BaddoSpirito]

I don't think the RNG in this game is a problem. Yes, it can have some impact sometimes if you get bad starting units and commander or in missile shots but it is much less of an impact than other auto battlers like TFT since there is no RNG in unlocking your units.

[Sonnenbank]

Originally posted by Purple Sauce:

Talking to people on this forum is a waste of time. They don't understand how impactful missles or nukes are and how this is an XP based game and you can literally deny someone's units XP with missles. And to say "just use shields to counter them" if you don't know the missle is there and you have units to upgrade/buy, you may not have the funds to even think about that even IF you knew the missle was there.

The last 6 matches i watched on twitch where a Nuke was used 5 times the guy using the Nuke lost the game.

Only 1 time the guy using the Nuke won the game and he also did it in a smart way in a defensive manner nuking his own tower on the side he got flanked

But the thing i agree is that talking about game balance on a forum is always a waste of time.
The people responsible for balance changes are not the ones who read your complaint

[Adept]

Originally posted by vukotlak:

So i have not done a lot of matches maybe 20. As far as i can tell there is some RNG in the game and i wonder what you guys think about this.

For example those "Missile launcher" forgot the name. They seem to have some rng in how they spread the missiles.

The thing is. If you use a normal rhino lv 1 and the enemy does the same the outcome will be that those rhinos kill each other. Even if for some case 1 rhino wins due to netcode incohrence or whatnot the other rhino would be as good as dead.

Those missile launcher however seem to have tremendous relience on rng luck. Sometimes they flatten an entire squadron with 1 atk and sometimes they barely touch it.

Same goes for the anti air defenso of the fortress. I was fighting a dude with many of those long range bombers. he had 6 of em close together. In 1 round m,y fortress killed em all in 1 barrage and in another he only took out 1 of em. This has tremendous impact on the outcome.

Would it be better if there is no rng in missile spread or general rng.

I am not suggesting it would be better. I would just like to hear some opinions.

RNG is an asset in these games, not a problem. This is not chess, and real battles are not chess either.

Being able to calculate things precisely leads to boring games. IRL nothing can be predicted perfectly, and chance always plays a role. The key is to prevail regardless of happenstance.