Rhino push strat

[slonboy]

Every second game my enemys push with Rhinos hard on one side you cant do anything because he has everytime the first Strike. With the upgrade where he get less damage of 55% and other stuff its not Possible to react fast ennough. Yea it is possible but if you allready playing from behind you losing so much HP and you have to waste a lot of Money to fix the Problem. In the same time he can save the money and use it for other opportunities.

You have also the problem that you have not Realy time for a Comback because if he get to fast all LVL ups on his units then your new lvl 1 or lets say lvl 2 with the ability are cannon fodder for more Xp.

I think a good idea would be good if the Player/Team who lose the fight gets a bit extra Money or this strat has to be get nerfed

[TotalFies]

Rhinos flip the game too fast in one direction.
It's not the OP Tactic, with luck and right guessing you can turn it around.
It's just simply not fun to play against.

Rhino Front, Rhino beacon, Rhino Flank, Bum HQ down.
If it dont work, use the self-destroy button and blow up the counter Force.

Oh jea and its cheap. Rhinos cost only 200.

For myself i use it when my early Game is screwed, and i have no other IDEA

[Schulze]

there are plenty of ways to deal with rhinos. phoenixes, marksman, wasps, overlord, fortress, steelball, melting point, and storm callers are all viable options to deal with them. Rhino is basically just a single entity tank unit. which is countered by air, ramp, and high damage. also if you rush to put a rhino out round 1, then you open yourself up to losing that round to any air unit in the game. Also if you dont open with crawlers or fangs, then marksman start will also crush rhino rush.

[Schulze]

on top of that if you go rhino start into photon emission right after, steel balls will crush the rhino in both round 1 and 2. air will still kill it. marksman with double shot will still deal with it. and crawlers with acid pool early will kill it as well.

[slonboy]

Ofc Their is a few options to Counter them but what i try to tell is that they was a great Early game Unit. On old patch this unit cost only 200 with free unlock. if you dont have steelballs at start then u have to pay 50 for unlock and 200 to place this unit.

In the next round he can use crawler in front of his rhino so Steelballs got again countered.
Otherwise he can use other opportunities but you dont know in time what to expect what he do as next. If you try to speculate what he will do then u have a bad chance and in the worst case u wasted your money, in best case u have luck and u are even so you can go for as attacker aswell and not anymore as defender.

Dont forget if u lose to much he have so much units on higher lvl.

[Zorro]

@slonboy
- What happens if you play the Rhino strategy. Do you win every battle than ?
- What happens if you follow the advice of Not The Schulze ? Which counter works, which does not work ?

[puschit]

If you are so worried about losing the first 2 rounds (which you shouldn't) then you could use a missle to thwart them (either the Rhino or the Crawlers on front of them in round 2).
Also, if he places everything on one side as you said, you should win the other side, quash their tower, get the XP and the debuff and go to town with this. Instead of trying to stop their snowball you could try to snowball yourself.

Also, is this high or low rank we are talking anbout? Before the test server was shut down I was playing around 20k and rarely encountered early Rhinos

[slonboy]

I will try to explain as good i can so my text will be a bit huge. My rank before the server was shutdown around 440 k.

You have to know it depends on which units you have at Start. So there could be minor changes every game against that strat.

lets say Youre enemy starts with 3 Crawler units and 2 Phönix units and you have lets say 3 Crawler units and 2 Mustang units.

First Round: Enemy buy first round Rhino. You cant Expect that he put 1 rhino in the middle of one side and 2 crawler units on each side of the Rhino (but as frontliner so they are first target for your units) + Phönix behind them. All units should lined up on front so they a short path. The third crawler unit should he put on the other side to give time that his Rhino can push and Destroy every unit until he reached your tower.

You have 200 bucks normaly so you can buy in best case for round 1 2 Snipers as best single targed damage dealer. Yes you can put 2 on one side but like i said you cant expect what will happen so you put one on each side normaly.. what is the Major problem ? Youre sniper attack the Crawler as first and before he can (Maybe) finally attack the Rhino he is allready destroyed.

Round Starts and you will lose the round for 100 % it isnt even close to win against this the only way its possible to win is if you use the same strat and hopefully have better start units.

Okay Round 2 : How we fix this problem? Steelballs ? Yea they are good against Rhino but how can i take the crawlers out of front of this rhino that my Steelballs attack the right unit (Rhino). Dont forget he have Phönix aswell what can kill Steelballs pretty good.

More Sniper ? i tried but still not possiblesame problem if you use hacker.Dont forget in round 2 his rhino reached lvl 2 so he have allready double HP. I tried many things but the best way i found was to use Rhino aswell and buy his upgrade selfdestroy in round 2 with using credit abillity or in third round if you have enough money. For him as next move would be easy to counter against my counter but if i try to explain everything round to round then i would write a Book and my bad English comes out of the Hell

from now on you are playing from behind because u always trying to coming back in the game for attack but if he wants he can use the same strat on both Sides and flanks . Anyways the most people just put so many overlords as they can in the near of his rhino until you run out of HP and lose the game.

It dont cares for him if you destroy his rhino because nothing can destroy it fast enough before he overrun you with other units till he reached youre Tower to clear all other units.

You guys see i played a lot against this strat and i know aswell who are the inventor of this strat. Ofc a lot of people tried to copy his strat for, some people it worked but the most people didnt noticed how to copy it and what make it so strong .

Dont understand me wrong, i won against this strat sometimes but only in lategame if i Survive long enough.Its pretty annoying because you have to tryhard for winning this. I hope everyone understand what i explained and most high ranked players agreed with me that this strat is a Problem and all high ranked players knows each other because we cant find many players with same amount of points where we can play together. Sometimes we need to play against eachother 3 or 4 times in a row till we get most likely less points for winning that we can play against people with less than 50k Points to get same Points for a win or we lose a lot of Points in case it happen that u will lose. Otherwise u have to wait long time till other players comes online with same points.

I wish i could link a video but I was convinced that really everyone knows the strategy allready

[Rakasch]

Steelballs with the Lifesteal/+60%Hp Upgrade is op imo.
Also add Mustangs with AOE for small things.

Problem solved.

You will outscale pretty fast.

....is the short answer.

never had real problems with rhinos, only early and if your start comp sucks.
Later in the game they just tank and do nothing. It also seems like you forgot your Mustang which can clear the Crawlers with ease.

[puschit]

What I said earlier still applies to your longer post.
Also, Rhinos got nerfed and cost 50 to unlock now, so what you describe is only possible for certain SPCs or he has to use that tower ability that goves him 200 but costs 300 next round which isn't a good thing to do on turn 1.

[slonboy]

Originally posted by Rakasch:

Steelballs with the Lifesteal/+60%Hp Upgrade is op imo.
Also add Mustangs with AOE for small things.

Problem solved.

You will outscale pretty fast.

....is the short answer.

never had real problems with rhinos, only early and if your start comp sucks.
Later in the game they just tank and do nothing. It also seems like you forgot your Mustang which can clear the Crawlers with ease.

Originally posted by Rakasch:

Steelballs with the Lifesteal/+60%Hp Upgrade is op imo.
Also add Mustangs with AOE for small things.

Problem solved.

You will outscale pretty fast.

....is the short answer.

never had real problems with rhinos, only early and if your start comp sucks.
Later in the game they just tank and do nothing. It also seems like you forgot your Mustang which can clear the Crawlers with ease.

This Upgrade cost 300 +200 because u have to buy Mustangs for destroying the crawlers on the other side from the Rhino otherwise they focus the rhino instead of the crawlers and it will delay u to buy other units. The thing is not how to counter it, it is a question of your money. u have everytime to trade more money.

Everyone should know with over 400 k points which units counter which unit. In high elo u playing with positioning and tricking the enemy's target acquisition.

[puschit]

I think your main problem is that you try to counter early and win every round - you don't need to. You can focus on your own strategy and counter their Rhino build when you are ready and have the needed resources. Let them have rounds 1-3, it won't kill you.

[slonboy]

Originally posted by puschit:

I think your main problem is that you try to counter early and win every round - you don't need to. You can focus on your own strategy and counter their Rhino build when you are ready and have the needed resources. Let them have rounds 1-3, it won't kill you.

yea thats right but dont forget he gets round to round lvl advantage so its not easy to turn the round with lvl 1 units. Yea my post is older but the problem can still happen because if you want u can get every game a card with bonus SPC,they are popular anyway. I cant remember that i didnt got a card wih 50,100 or 200 Spc bonux. One of them is always there.

[Kugelfisch]

yeah rhino tactics are really annoying. It is like fire and forget. There are counter of course, but it is easier to play rhino than playing combined forces.

[puschit]

The 100 and 200 bonus SCS aren't good, though, and you also get a SPC that usually brings in his weight later. You also get bonus XP for killing at least one tower. All I know is that I increased my winrate dignificantly when I stopped focussing on winning every round and my wins usually include lost early rounds. Second thing I know is that whatever strategy and unit combination is said to be unfair doesn't show up frequently and when it shows up is far from unbeatable and rarely unfair. It has been said about Marksmen spam (which don't do much against Rhinos), it's been said about Sledgehammer-Crawler combo and whatnot.
I came in late and had around 30k CP when the testserver went offline, on the other hand, since the system never deducts points for losing and since you can farm massive amounts in 2vs2 (I got 18k from a single game when I had 8k) I wouldn't give the CP too much credit. It is more or less an indicator for how long and often somebody played but not how good he actually is.

[Rakasch]

Originally posted by slonboy:

Originally posted by Rakasch:

Steelballs with the Lifesteal/+60%Hp Upgrade is op imo.
Also add Mustangs with AOE for small things.

Problem solved.

You will outscale pretty fast.

....is the short answer.

never had real problems with rhinos, only early and if your start comp sucks.
Later in the game they just tank and do nothing. It also seems like you forgot your Mustang which can clear the Crawlers with ease.

This Upgrade cost 300 +200 because u have to buy Mustangs for destroying the crawlers on the other side from the Rhino otherwise they focus the rhino instead of the crawlers and it will delay u to buy other units. The thing is not how to counter it, it is a question of your money. u have everytime to trade more money.

Everyone should know with over 400 k points which units counter which unit. In high elo u playing with positioning and tricking the enemy's target acquisition.

Steelballs scale SO MUCH BETTER than Rhinos. Sure you may lose one Round, but you will for sure win the game in the long run. The Skills are no Joke. With Absorption and Armor they can tank everything. Ofc it has its price but its an Investment.

Also i agree with the statment of Puschit, cant add anything

As for the Mustang Statement, you said in a scenario where you start with Crawler and Mustang, but forget to mention them in your outcome.