Question about early access player rewards at 1.0 launch

[jasta85]

I stuck this on my wishlist when it was announced and am now taking a look at it during the summer sale. I see in the early access section it says the game will be free once it leaves early access but players who bought in before then get exclusive in game rewards. Any idea what these are? Are they purely cosmetics of some kind or will there be anything that gives you an advantage over other players?

[Tungdil12]

The game will not become p2w so probably just cosmetics.

[Stormlock]

Originally posted by Tungdil12:

The game will not become p2w so probably just cosmetics.

Oh my sweet summer child.

They will probably end up selling overpowered techs and unit types you can only unlock at the pace they come out if you grind 8 hours a day. The shills will declare that this isn't an advantage because you can get it for free and being locked into a fraction of the options isn't really an advantage because some of those options can counter some of the premium ones.

It's the standard model for f2p competitive games.

[Tungdil12]

Originally posted by Stormlock:

Originally posted by Tungdil12:

The game will not become p2w so probably just cosmetics.

Oh my sweet summer child.

They will probably end up selling overpowered techs and unit types you can only unlock at the pace they come out if you grind 8 hours a day. The shills will declare that this isn't an advantage because you can get it for free and being locked into a fraction of the options isn't really an advantage because some of those options can counter some of the premium ones.

It's the standard model for f2p competitive games.

Well you can tell your conspiracy theories if you really want to, I am just saying what was announced by the developers, and they repeatedly said that this will not become p2w.

[Stormlock]

I mean, that's what everyone says. Seriously, try to find me a developer that admits their game is pay to win.

This is the way League of Legends, Smite, every CCG, hell, even fighting and strategy games do it these days and they aren't even free to begin with. Though the free ones being released will certainly do it too. Selling a competitive advantage is the default these days, exceptions are incredibly rare.

I would bet the 20$ I paid to access this before it goes to ♥♥♥♥ against a dollar that this game will end up the same way within a year of release. It'll initially have just cosmetics, then they'll realize they aren't making enough money because the game isn't DotA2 and a small userbase can't sustain the wages required to make cosmetics AND continually update and balance the game so it isn't crap.

[Tungdil12]

Originally posted by Stormlock:

I mean, that's what everyone says. Seriously, try to find me a developer that admits their game is pay to win.

This is the way League of Legends, Smite, every CCG, hell, even fighting and strategy games do it these days and they aren't even free to begin with. Though the free ones being released will certainly do it too. Selling a competitive advantage is the default these days, exceptions are incredibly rare.

I would bet the 20$ I paid to access this before it goes to ♥♥♥♥ against a dollar that this game will end up the same way within a year of release. It'll initially have just cosmetics, then they'll realize they aren't making enough money because the game isn't DotA2 and a small userbase can't sustain the wages required to make cosmetics AND continually update and balance the game so it isn't crap.

There is no arguing with you then, if you are already 100% sure of your opinion without even any indication of this becoming p2w, and a lot of indications this game not becoming p2w.
I mean one of the main devs of this games has even said in an interview that he hates p2w games and made this game speficially not to be p2w. If that is not going to convince you, there is no convincing you and there is no point in continuing this conversation.

[ArcadeVault]

Originally posted by Stormlock:

I mean, that's what everyone says. Seriously, try to find me a developer that admits their game is pay to win.

This is the way League of Legends, Smite, every CCG, hell, even fighting and strategy games do it these days and they aren't even free to begin with. Though the free ones being released will certainly do it too. Selling a competitive advantage is the default these days, exceptions are incredibly rare.

I would bet the 20$ I paid to access this before it goes to ♥♥♥♥ against a dollar that this game will end up the same way within a year of release. It'll initially have just cosmetics, then they'll realize they aren't making enough money because the game isn't DotA2 and a small userbase can't sustain the wages required to make cosmetics AND continually update and balance the game so it isn't crap.

Man... really. What is "pay to win" in mobas? I played Lol, Heroes of the Storm, Smite, Dota, and Paragon.... NONE of them were pay to win. All the things u could buy is the champion packs and tons of cosmetics.

While i totally agree with u on free to play game dev tactics on "pay to win" models, mobas dont do that otherwise they would die out within 2 seconds. The heavy competition with Dota and Lol on the frontline they just cant afford going pay to win.

[ArcadeVault]

Originally posted by Tungdil12:

Originally posted by Stormlock:

I mean, that's what everyone says. Seriously, try to find me a developer that admits their game is pay to win.

This is the way League of Legends, Smite, every CCG, hell, even fighting and strategy games do it these days and they aren't even free to begin with. Though the free ones being released will certainly do it too. Selling a competitive advantage is the default these days, exceptions are incredibly rare.

I would bet the 20$ I paid to access this before it goes to ♥♥♥♥ against a dollar that this game will end up the same way within a year of release. It'll initially have just cosmetics, then they'll realize they aren't making enough money because the game isn't DotA2 and a small userbase can't sustain the wages required to make cosmetics AND continually update and balance the game so it isn't crap.

There is no arguing with you then, if you are already 100% sure of your opinion without even any indication of this becoming p2w, and a lot of indications this game not becoming p2w.
I mean one of the main devs of this games has even said in an interview that he hates p2w games and made this game speficially not to be p2w. If that is not going to convince you, there is no convincing you and there is no point in continuing this conversation.

That is actually very cool to know, thx. Hope this game wont sink, its just epic!

[Stormlock]

Originally posted by ArcadeVault:

Originally posted by Stormlock:

I mean, that's what everyone says. Seriously, try to find me a developer that admits their game is pay to win.

This is the way League of Legends, Smite, every CCG, hell, even fighting and strategy games do it these days and they aren't even free to begin with. Though the free ones being released will certainly do it too. Selling a competitive advantage is the default these days, exceptions are incredibly rare.

I would bet the 20$ I paid to access this before it goes to ♥♥♥♥ against a dollar that this game will end up the same way within a year of release. It'll initially have just cosmetics, then they'll realize they aren't making enough money because the game isn't DotA2 and a small userbase can't sustain the wages required to make cosmetics AND continually update and balance the game so it isn't crap.

Man... really. What is "pay to win" in mobas? I played Lol, Heroes of the Storm, Smite, Dota, and Paragon.... NONE of them were pay to win. All the things u could buy is the champion packs and tons of cosmetics.

While i totally agree with u on free to play game dev tactics on "pay to win" models, mobas dont do that otherwise they would die out within 2 seconds. The heavy competition with Dota and Lol on the frontline they just cant afford going pay to win.

Trying to play a moba without all the characters is like trying to play rock paper scissors without having access to rock. It might not matter if nobody knows what they're doing but it's rather important you have access to all the characters if you want to play well. Even if you're not going to play those characters in serious matches, it's important to practice with them to understand their strengths and weaknesses when you play against them. Especially when a character is brand new (and probably overpowered to drive sales and cosmetics.)

People like you who are oblivious to this fact is why they can get away with it. The vast majority of their playerbase, where all the money comes from, are just casual players that wouldn't notice an advantage if it hit them in the face.