Why ELO/MMR is good and your attitude is not optimal :)

[Sonnenbank]

So why is ELO good ?

After some initial calibration which may take 1-2 weeks you will always get interesting matches with enemys around your true skill level
The goal of this game is to have a fun time with interesting opponents

So why do people complain ?

Because they think a higher number next to their name is somehow more important than actually having a fun time.

PLZ unless you are in the top 50 of the world.

Who cares if your MMR is 1300, 1400 , 1600 , 2000 ?
why does it matter ?
What will other people think of you if your mmr is 1670 instead of 1450 `?
who cares ?

free your mind
be happy a system is trying to give us the most interesting and fair matches !

[puschit]

After reading all the strange complaints about the MMR I beging to understand why games like Hearthstone hide and obfuscate their MMR ... the average player just can't cope with that information and is actually better off left in the dark. Sad but true. And unfortunate for the few poor souls that understand MMR

[BB-8]

Who cares about Hearthstone?! It's P2W. Who needs an Elo in a P2W game?! Who cares about the opinion of someone spending money on a P2W game? Hearthstone players and Co. should rather get upset that the money is being taken out of their pockets.
For any serious 1v1 game that wants to compete at tournament level, an Elo ranking is essential.

In the long run, an Elo ranking also benefits casual gamers, whether they realize it or not. They just have more balanced matches. An Elo ranking prevents casual players from losing 10 x in a row, which eventually simply gives up the desire and the game is left on the sidelines.

[Cergorach]

First matched game, mine is 70, the opponent has 5100... Of course I get slaughtered. I don't particularly mind, but I could see why people would just leave. If this is now the rule, facing 5100 opponents, I might eventually get turned off as well. We'll see, but it doesn't bode well.

[Sonnenbank]

5100 is not elo but its combat rating.
that are completely different things.

elo starts you with some average value and then determines if you are too high or too low
when you get slaughterd the first 4-5 games you will get better matches after that

[aksfjh]

It's hilarious how devs will implement and build up all sorts of awards and accolades based on in-game scoring systems that rewards wins and punishes losses and some players will say, "NO! Don't pay attention to these things the dev designed into the game!"

The devs created the torment nexus. We just wanted to play with mechs in large battles, but the devs added a bunch of reasons to win and a bunch more reasons not to lose. It doesn't matter if I give a ♥♥♥♥ about that combat point score when half my matches are against some efficient, copied ladder climbing all-in strat.

[Kyhl]

Originally posted by aksfjh:

It's hilarious how devs will implement and build up all sorts of awards and accolades based on in-game scoring systems that rewards wins and punishes losses and some players will say, "NO! Don't pay attention to these things the dev designed into the game!"

The devs created the torment nexus. We just wanted to play with mechs in large battles, but the devs added a bunch of reasons to win and a bunch more reasons not to lose. It doesn't matter if I give a ♥♥♥♥ about that combat point score when half my matches are against some efficient, copied ladder climbing all-in strat.

What exactly are wins rewarded with? A little number that goes up, that's what.

[puschit]

Originally posted by aksfjh:

It doesn't matter if I give a ♥♥♥♥ about that combat point score when half my matches are against some efficient, copied ladder climbing all-in strat.

Why the heck are you playing ladder if you don't like to play against ladder!? Get a room!

[Adam Earlston]

I hope people aren't actually complaining about MMR, i'm really enjoying it and it's a great addition!

[aksfjh]

Originally posted by puschit:

Originally posted by aksfjh:

It doesn't matter if I give a ♥♥♥♥ about that combat point score when half my matches are against some efficient, copied ladder climbing all-in strat.

Why the heck are you playing ladder if you don't like to play against ladder!? Get a room!

A little over a week ago, a lot more games were varied as people tried out different strats and builds to explore the game. Winning meant more CP, but we all knew CP was basically a grind so winning was barely more important than just playing and learning the game.

Now more players are matching for a singular purpose: to improve their MMR and CP. Since CP has been announced to be connected to cosmetic rewards and MMR suggests "higher MMR, better games," more players are "optimizing" their ladder experience by exploiting powerful all-in strats. As this becomes more prevalent, it pushes out novel play that can't stand against these all-in strats, turning the ladder into a grind of a few meta builds.

Except higher MMR only means better games if people are getting to higher MMR with a better broad understanding of the game. If people are repeatedly forcing powerful strats to boost their rating, they're going to eventually end up in situations that have 0 experience for and the games become rather silly stomps in either direction, making MMR feel even more worthless. Gee, isn't that something people have been complaining about recently?

[puschit]

Players have ALWAYS complained about the matchmaking and Combat Power being useless. What you describe is what ladders are for. My question was why you play ladder at all if you don't like being competitive in a 1vs1 game. The suggestion to get a room wasn't rethoric - you could always create a room for custom games.

[BB-8]

If everyone only plays the same thing, the corresponding counters will also become standard and you have to play more diversified again. Where is the problem? You won't get very far with one and the same strategy. The Elo system also has a certain sluggishness, you didn't suddenly disappear on the horizon after winning 10 games.

[Mivo]

As a new player. I had a similar experience as Cergorac: My first match was against someone whose combat power was in the thousands, while my own was 57. I didn't know yet what CP was, but just the big difference in numbers immediately put me off.

I read up on what CP really is, so no complaints now and I understand the difference between CP and MMR, but I feel CP should be better explained to a new player and/or be less prominently displayed in the matchmaking screen. (Especially in light of many pre-patch resources and videos saying that CP is used for matchmaking.)

[Shyhalu]

Originally posted by puschit:

After reading all the strange complaints about the MMR I beging to understand why games like Hearthstone hide and obfuscate their MMR ... the average player just can't cope with that information and is actually better off left in the dark. Sad but true. And unfortunate for the few poor souls that understand MMR

Hearthstone is ran by incompetent developers, that is why they hid it.

This matchmaking system is matching me with people that have over 10000% my combat power and a much higher MMR.

Its favoring quick matches over fair ones, which lead to all the complaints.
I'd rather wait 60 seconds and have a good game (win or lose) than get destroyed by round 4.

[Sonnenbank]

Strange....
you only get matched vs different mmr in the first 10 placement matches and thats intended behaviour... after all it trys to find your real mmr >-<

After that
I only get matched with people around my mmr (+- 80mmr).... but ofc with very very different combat rating.... ( 2800 to 23K)

just faced a 20K combat rating player and destroyed him in 4 rounds....
he did spend 950 ressources in round 4 on a single level 1 boat.....

350 parasitic amo + 200 unlock + 400 boat and ofc this 950 was completely missing on the frontline war that he lost heavily now.

this shows that 20K combat rating players doesnt even mean they understand any basics of the game.

[Dionysus]

Originally posted by Shyhalu:

Originally posted by puschit:

After reading all the strange complaints about the MMR I beging to understand why games like Hearthstone hide and obfuscate their MMR ... the average player just can't cope with that information and is actually better off left in the dark. Sad but true. And unfortunate for the few poor souls that understand MMR

Hearthstone is ran by incompetent developers, that is why they hid it.

This matchmaking system is matching me with people that have over 10000% my combat power and a much higher MMR.

Its favoring quick matches over fair ones, which lead to all the complaints.
I'd rather wait 60 seconds and have a good game (win or lose) than get destroyed by round 4.

i doubt even you are experiencing this. quit your lies.