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Q: How do you do enough DPS without using any passives or anything that boosts them?
A: The DPS from explosions can be surprisingly high, though not from simply going -boom-. Most enemies in the game have a decent amount of physical resistance but have almost zero elemental resistances (Aside from a couple select mobs like firemen zombos). As such, even if you don't use a weapon at all and just decide to punch things to death, you will STILL clear entire groups of enemies extremely easily. That being said a weapon is still very beneficial even if not 100% required.
can you screenshoot your character ?
You can only get max benefit at most 2 copies of same quality proc kits due to diminishing returns. You want at most 50,40,30,30 or 40,30,30,20 shields for them to be continously proccing.
You also forgot to factor in that dodge helps to proc high shields effectively with 40% dodge and let you see your regen actually kick in starting from 24% regen.
Skills should be self heal,chain,battle heal,purity. you can easily slot a 2s stun support kit or find a flask with the 2s stun.
No mention of Gladiator set which would be the staple for Regen to reach over 100%++
Passive should be Sturdy and Master of elements/Escape artist. Escape artist for getting 40% dodge for world bosses/avenger mini boss form 3 hunting and master of elements for faster clearing of mobs provided you can survive the dive.
There isn't even a mention of what food buffs you are using like Pizza,Hot Choco/Chocolate Box,Energydrink,Salad.
Regen works differently in combat with lower health healed per tick and higher health healed outside of combat, seems to be using your Base Max HP as well so Gladiator set is optimal with giving you +60 hp due to the set being Clothing level 4.
"Cheap Bad Build" - Uhh... Huh. I'm currently pushing level 250+ with literally 0 (zero) deaths. I've tested this extensively. This is either an incredibly close minded statement, an attempt at trolling or elitist BS, lol.
"Too Heavily reliant on survivor gear" - Huh? This bit actually confuses me, as it makes me believe you're throwing shade at something you didn't even bother to read. I've stated multiple times that anything found on gear is a simple bonus and isn't in any way-shape-or form required.
"You can only get the benefits of at most, 2 kits" - This is... astonishingly confusing as well, information like this is usually shared about by failed testing, you likely read it on a post which is nearly a year old at this point. Diminishing returns on items and stat percentages are not as apocalyptic as you're making it sound. That would be incredibly ignorant. Simple test for you: Get 4 Poor Quality Shield Kits (You probably have them laying about already, given how experienced you're attempting to show yourself as). Put on 4 new articles of clothing. Put on 2 kits and go let 4 regular zombies hit on you for 1 minute while you have the +100% Enemy Attack Speed Debuff from the Tactics Table. Now, you likely had only seen your shield proc maaaaybe 5 times. Now put on the other two shield kits, do the exact same thing, you'll see it proc anywhere from 8-10 times. And Congratulations! You just performed the same test I had done 10 times in a row to see if shield kits were worth the effort...
So in all reality you're looking at anywhere between a 30% and 50% increase in triggered Shields... If you don't see that as a massive benefit for a build of this nature... Whelp. Good luck reaching lvl 100. lol.
"Passive should be study + Master of Elements & Escape Artist" - ................. Again, Did you read... ANYTHING? Or did you just feel like jumping on someone else's build, toss out a few lies and add your own build into it? Btw, You claimed the build to be too difficult for some people to use, you do know that Master of Elements is often the last skill people get.... right? Because of how difficult it is to obtain? Escape Artist isn't that far behind it either.
"There's no mention of the food debuffs you're using" - Because these are raw stats and functions, you can easily obtain these WITHOUT stacking food buffs. You know, to make easier for some people to use? You're contradicting yourself here, lol.
"Regen works differently..." - That's the point here o3o, At this point in writing these responses, I'm absolutely certain you didn't even bother reading 20% of the info I put in above, lol.
Everything you've written, is just a more complicated, watered down and expensive option to what this build already does. Why are you trying to push replacement skills upwards in cost of 1,200+ Rep and grinding to make yourself "Doj" world bosses more easily.......... When you can just, I dunno.... Let them hit you and shrug it off? Ya know, like this setup can do, lol.
And please.... stop perpetuating falsehoods about how the game works and functions, the whole diminishing returns, kit stacking failures and the like are just false man. If you want to be as good of a player as you seem to be trying to portray yourself as, please do some testing instead of simply taking one persons word for it.
Same goes for me and what i've written, i've already stated: TRY IT YOURSELF.
Else you'll just sit back and miss out on something fun :3.
You're getting 35% regen from survivor equipment, which if you didn't have puts you at about 48%, well below the 60% threshold.
Of course you can compensate this 35% difference in regen with more regen kits on your shoes and Gladiator set, but this will be at the expense of fire/toxic damage kits (can't use shoes without all protection kit slots) and shield kits. Also you would need to be pretty lucky to find high enough quality kits to obtain 80%~ regen from kits alone and still have space for 5 shield kits. Essentially 5 shield kits would leave you with 1 free protection slot from the Gladiator set, so that plus a 3 protection slot shoe means you need to break 60% regen with 4 slots. 4 shield kits would mean 5 slots to break 60% regen meaning you need at least 5 good quality's worth of regen kits which will take luck and time to find.
That said, this is definitely an interesting build and has convinced to buy the Gladiator set. I'm having fun with the Reaper set but I find that in larger mobs, with the Strategy Table on, it's really easy to die.
Devs hide a lot of mechanics which you don't know since your new, diminishing returns on proc chance kits is real that's why you slot different qualities for better proc chance. you will never see your 4 shield 10's stack up to 30-40 the most you will get is 20, same goes for stacking 4 poor qualities of Elemental Procs for Balancing Reasons.
Do you even know threat levels 1-5 reduces your global damage (Physical and Elemental) at -10% to 50%, nope it was around 1.18 - 1.19 ish.
In that case, it's not that you get diminishing returns.. it's just that they don't stack like 20%+20%+20%+20%, (or +4+4+4+4). They simply work independently, they were not "coded to get diminishing returns".
You can figure out the resulting %chance of proc'ing any of the four kits by doing the math, I'm no expert in probability but that should be done by binomial distribution: here's a calculator[stattrek.com]
Probability of success on a single trial: 0.2 (20%)
Number of trials: 4 (4 kits)
Number of successes: 1 (at least 1 kit proc'ing)
This results in a cumulative probability of 0.5904
So the probability of at least 1 of the 4 kits proc'ing (+4 toxic damage) with each hit is 59.04%
If anyone has the kits to actually try this out by doing a basic statistical test I would be grateful. I was just told this so I have no idea if that's how the proc kits actually work.
In any case I don't think we can just discuss without actual data so I can't really trust either OP's opinion or Money's "diminishing returns" statement. Without proof this is all but speculation, no matter your level or how long you've been playing :/
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btw this looks like a nice build, I've been interested in recovery for a while but wasn't sure if it was worth it
https://steamcommunity.com/app/667890/discussions/0/1697167355219891876/
Since Marky is too busy to repost
Means you still get the most bang for your buck using different qualities.
The question hadn't been if the +10 from the shield procs stacked or not, it was how often they fire, sure I would take higher shield amounts if It were available to me, though It still works fine firing on a very regular basis.
So no, there was never a claim or question as to if the shields would combine and proc to 40-60 shield value, so I see no reason why you would begin arguing this point and throwing insults other than for the simple act of arguing.
As such, take it elsewhere unless you have actual input to add.
They aren't diminishing returns then, they simply don't stack.
If you had 4 kits all of different quality then you would get the same probabilities, only that you would get less damage on average, so less DPS.
Again I haven't tested what Marky said, or what Bernie said on that post, but their numbers seem consistent with what I was told.
Yes this is the point.
Four 20% +x attack will not stack up to 80% proc rate, but instead work independently and statistically would give you a 59% of proc'ing AT LEAST ONCE (they could proc all four at the same time, or 3, or 2, or none).
This is still better than having two of them, or having some at lesser quality. By having all kits at exceptional quality, whenever they proc they would always give the higher bonus/damage.
I hope people understand my point here, and as I said I'm in no position to say that this is how it works since I haven't tested it yet but that's what Marky and other people seem to say about proc rates.
2-3 kits of the same qualitiy does give diminishing returns due to how they work as explained in the link.
If you had 4 different qualities you'd have a consistent 80% chance to trigger 1 of the 4 kits which is way better than relying on a 32% for two kits of same qualitiy and 38% for three kits of the same quality. Also the reason why HQ and EX kits are so sought after with the demand on it at all time high.
Why does every single post you make, start with an insult..? Seriously though, It's because of people like this, that there isn't more activity on this forum, lol.
Stop stroking your own over inflated ego and actually make an effort to give constructive feedback. You're not being constructive. You're being Insulting, demeaning, egotistical and forceful.
And you obviously have zero intention of leaving people be here, you've even gone to stalking through other threads and steam tags.
You're arguing over something that was never in debate. Ever. Not a single time.
Just hitting the report button and hoping I don't encounter you any longer.