Sid Meier's Civilization: Beyond Earth

Sid Meier's Civilization: Beyond Earth

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Tiltowait 18 ENE 2015 a las 22:16
Beyond Beyond Earth: What's better and why?
Hey I took advantage of the free weekend and played a complete game. I haven't been playing Civ since Alpha Centauri and looked forward to this spiritual successor. While Beyond Earth sort of did the job it kind of felt lacking. The game wasn't awful...it's just after 20 years for a flaghship title I guess I expected a bit more.

The diplomacy is flat with no animations whatsoever. Not even any cutscenes beyond the opener. The victory window is a static pic and a couple sentences of text. Your advisors (which were wonderfully full motion videoed actors in Civ 2) have been replaced by an emotionless and graphicless Jarvis clone who offers tutorial tips instead of strategy or development guidance.

So I'm throwing this out to the community, what other 4x games are out there that you think out Civ's Civ Beyond? A touch more flavor, even eye-candy (like a diplomat who frowns at you if you offer something they don't like. ) I'd prefer something with a similar settings (colony on a new planet 4x) if posssible. Hopefully on steam but I'll take a decent indy title I can buy anywhere. :)
Última edición por Tiltowait; 18 ENE 2015 a las 22:16
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Psyringe 19 ENE 2015 a las 23:53 
Publicado originalmente por Pai Mei:
Publicado originalmente por C0untzer0:
But yeah SMAC:AC is still better than all of them combined.
http://www.gog.com/game/sid_meiers_alpha_centauri
I've never played SMAC and I'm thinking about buying it.

I know it was considered great when it was released, but how does it stand up today? Is the AI good? Is the interface alright?

also: If I do choose to buy it, is the site you linked the best version and the best deal? Will it work for a 64-bit pc running Windows 8.1?

Thanks in advance.
Ash...Haushaltswaren already described SMAC's features very well. Indeed the game has stood the test of time and remains very enjoyable, if you can stomach the graphics (which were considered ugly and outdated even when the game was released).

The AI is, unfortunately, pretty bad, it doesn't actually understand large parts of the game. It's probably the game's biggest flaw. The AI does okay with city management (because it gets bonuses there), but it completely fails with regard to unit movement. When you are at war, it will send units to you piecemeal instead of combining several weapon groups to a formidable attack force. I think the AI works well enough to keep the game interesting while you're learning to play it. Afterwards, it's your decision whether you enjoy the game despite its weak AI, or rather look for a game with a better one.

There is an unofficial patch that tries to fix some bugs and (slightly) enhance the AI, you can find it here:
http://alphacentauri2.info/wiki/Yitzi%27s_patch
C0untzer0 19 ENE 2015 a las 23:59 
Publicado originalmente por Pai Mei:
Publicado originalmente por C0untzer0:
But yeah SMAC:AC is still better than all of them combined.
http://www.gog.com/game/sid_meiers_alpha_centauri
I've never played SMAC and I'm thinking about buying it.

I know it was considered great when it was released, but how does it stand up today? Is the AI good? Is the interface alright?

also: If I do choose to buy it, is the site you linked the best version and the best deal? Will it work for a 64-bit pc running Windows 8.1?

Thanks in advance.
What the last responder said, plus:
The version I linked is the complete set and includes the "Alien Crossfire" expansion.
It's the DRM-Fre gog version.
It has the most different unit designs in any of the civs, allowing you to build an army/fleet/horde to fit your exact scheme and situation.
You'll love what happens when you build secret projects.
ZoSo 20 ENE 2015 a las 13:02 
Publicado originalmente por C0untzer0:
Publicado originalmente por Pai Mei:
I've never played SMAC and I'm thinking about buying it.

I know it was considered great when it was released, but how does it stand up today? Is the AI good? Is the interface alright?

also: If I do choose to buy it, is the site you linked the best version and the best deal? Will it work for a 64-bit pc running Windows 8.1?

Thanks in advance.
What the last responder said, plus:
The version I linked is the complete set and includes the "Alien Crossfire" expansion.
It's the DRM-Fre gog version.
It has the most different unit designs in any of the civs, allowing you to build an army/fleet/horde to fit your exact scheme and situation.
You'll love what happens when you build secret projects.

How does Pandora compare to SMAC? Thanks in advance
C0untzer0 20 ENE 2015 a las 23:57 
Publicado originalmente por Pai Mei:

How does Pandora compare to SMAC? Thanks in advance
According to this discussion: http://steamcommunity.com/app/287580/discussions/0/620700960692189883/
And this review: http://www.spacesector.com/blog/2013/12/pandora-first-contact-review/
Nothing compares to SMAC even now. (or at least nothing on a planet does)
Última edición por C0untzer0; 21 ENE 2015 a las 0:04
jon78 27 ENE 2015 a las 15:43 
I don't understand why they removed so much from SMAC. Stuff like rain patterns and such was the biggest joy in play for me. Also it seems like Gaia/ Harmony went down from the best to the worst in BE. Why would you waste time on Harmony when the aliens will attack you just as they would if you had gone with Supremacy?
8mm Solutions 27 ENE 2015 a las 18:16 
I'm going to put BE on hold until I see what kind of new twists some DLC or expansions will bring to it. I like the game but it just feels like so much is missing from it even compared to CIV. There are too few units and too few real options and even when you win you just basically get a screen that says "you won". Wow. There is some great potential here but for anyone that wanted a SMAC remake keep looking.
The Crushor 27 ENE 2015 a las 23:36 
Publicado originalmente por TsarAlexis:
This game is just CIV V with aliens instead of barbarians, end of story.

This is true. You could say this game is graphics update of Civ V and in my opinion combat sucks in both of these games.
CyberDown 30 ENE 2015 a las 18:46 
Still holding out hope this game isnt nearly as bad as everyone says. The price this game is keeps me away, i mean it has less features than the game its reskinning...you cant stack units....and if im not mistaken there are not varying damage and armor types.

So for a graphics tweak, reskin of CIV5 minus the map editor (which is a major feature missing) id probably pay $15 or less.

Pandora is the only other game out there that does the AC thing, and its got its issues, mostly in that it looks like CIV4 graphically (this game blows it away) and it does a linear item upgrade mixed in with a limited unit type you customize...other than that Pandora does all BE does, some a bit better from what i hear, and i snagge it and the DLC for like $15 during the winter sale. Im actually quite happy with it but both games lack the origional AC experience.

My hope is that since pandora is in early access, and made by a small studio, and has player helping with "modding" the official client, it will eventually fall into more of the AC game we all want....will still have the last gen graphics though...which is fine it looks good enough for a 4x

Not really convinced that this isnt just a cash grab on a minimal effort with Beyond Earth. Till im convinced other wise...$15 or gtfo with it....though i still want to play it.
Última edición por CyberDown; 30 ENE 2015 a las 18:47
C0untzer0 31 ENE 2015 a las 0:47 
Publicado originalmente por CyberDown:
Still holding out hope this game isnt nearly as bad as everyone says. The price this game is keeps me away, i mean it has less features than the game its reskinning...you cant stack units....and if im not mistaken there are not varying damage and armor types.
I don't think that it's really bad. In fact the community feeling seems to be more like "It could have been... [sigh]" People really had such high hopes, because as this thread has shown, there has been literally nothing quite like SMAC for so long. It could be worse, it could have Duke Nukemd on us.
Pandora is now where we pin our hopes, as everything else in the same vein is set off-world, and that upsets people if we discuss them.
KingCoward 1 FEB 2015 a las 5:59 
If you dont mind the game being real time with pause function instead of turn based i would sugest Distant Worlds- by far the best 4x game made to date.
The reason alot of people dislike this game over previous ones, namely over SMAC, is because the game is literally about the numbers and everything else. Sure civ 5 did, but atleast it had bits here and there that gave it character fitting of a Civ game.

Meanwhile AI diplomacy animations are boring and repetitive, the AI is actually worse than previous games, unfair handicap bonuses as difficulty increases, does not equal smart difficulty, it's jsut lazy.

Previous other games were created on their own graphics engines, yet this one has 60% less content than the last game.

Other games have scenarios, this game doesn't have one.

The last game had Workshop support and released patches to make the game better, meanwhile, it seems like the Workshop support has been made as a hand-wave at patches, meaning they think "The fans will patch and fix the game, we need to do nothing" even though that doesn't freaknig fix the base game. I can't get achievements with mods activated. I may have gotten the Flappy goat achievement in Goat Simulator, but I had motivation to get that, though it took me 3 solid, straight hours, I don't have motivation to play 5 more games minimum when this game basically has no real variation between games in terms of quests and events and honestly...

This game could be done as a TC mod, any Rep of Firaxis can eat it because people have put Doom on a photo copier, atari games on calculators, they've made things like Aliem Swarm out of UT 2004, People have made leveling systems in Starcraft 2 Wings of Liberty, Diablo: The Hell is a mod that literally triples all the content of the base and expansioned game, Diablo 2: Median XL Ultimative is a TC mod that changes how almost everything in the game works, Team Fortress was made on the Quake 2 engine.

Anybody who previously said this game could not have been a TC mod can freaking eat me, because they're liars and need to shut the hell up.

Rant over, sorry for it being a rant.

Personally, the announcement of Starships pissed me off so much. I paid FULL RETAIL PRICE for a game that is worth about as much as CivNet. The Hell are you doing Firaxis?

Seriously! Patch the damn game, you're a big freaking company who owns the most popular TBS game currently on the market. ChuckleFish is patching faster than you, and they're an indie dev team! In the same time frame that is. They've done so like... once for a huge patch, and then dozens of times for bug fixes.

Any reason Firaxis may have for not freaking improving the game, which they need to do, is not a reason, but an excuse.

Rant actually over. ♥♥♥♥ man. Seriously.
Última edición por SamBC; 3 FEB 2015 a las 21:23
Covfefe 3 FEB 2015 a las 20:50 
Publicado originalmente por Stormy Facade (Commander-Strife):
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This is nothing but you raging over the patch schedule of Firaxis without actually knowing the length of patches for the history of Civ V. All the while you were raging you were spouting many falsehoods and insulting people who disagree with you.
SamBC 3 FEB 2015 a las 21:23 
Just to remind everyone that evading the language filter isn't okay, and accusing people of things, like lying, isn't good either, especially without anything to back it up.
Ariatiki 3 FEB 2015 a las 21:36 
I'll second that, Ash. The game is absolutely great in many respects. It's political system, the way it ties into philosophy of all kinds, the freedom one has to go in so many directions....

That being said, probably the game's biggest weakness is its graphics. The actual gameplay graohics was decent for the late 90s, but is terrible by today's standards. Although I should note that the secret project videos (equivalent of the wonders in the rest of the Civ series) are much, much better than any of the wonders videos before or since. Most of them really stick.

The game is deffinitely thought provoking and worth playing, but some will find the graphics a turn-off. To those who like the dark and thoughtful atmosphere, it is a gem that, sadly, Firaxis and everyone else seem determined to never bring to light again.
Última edición por Ariatiki; 4 FEB 2015 a las 18:54
light5_fl 4 FEB 2015 a las 11:39 
I honestly didn't care much for Alpha Centuari when I played it, its likely the only civilzation game I didn't like, just wasn't my cup of tea.

I like Beyond earth and espically it conepts of the Affinities andvision of how diferent views could lead to very different humanites but it is indeed more basic than Civ V which has years of expansions and DLC but like Civ IV and V it will impove with expanisions. I certainly don't regret buying it and look forward to seeing where it goes.
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