I am actually glad this isn't called Alpha Centauri

[Kuki]

After all it isn't Alpha Centauri at all, neither from the looks nor from the gameplay. It is a sci-fi sequel to Civ5. The really good thing is that this keeps the option open for a REAL successor to the genius game that was Alpha Centauri. I would love to see a sequel that maintains core features such as
- the 3D terrain which allows 3D terraforming
- the influence of terrain on fertility and other things
- global warming affecting the sea level
- those UN decisions you could vote for that had big effects
- H-Bombs that actually made a dent into the planets surface ;D
- A very vital and aggressive thinking planet w ith native life forms that attacked players who had high pollution and didnt life in symbiosis with the planet, whereas the opposite was that players could (under conditions) take over such life forms .
- awesome story - I read all of those popups during the game, it was inspiring.
- the politics system was genius, it had + and - effects on different values, which in turn had different effects, which made the different selections on political factors very interesting, as opposed to CIV where you usally just select ONE thing (and often this would be the latest researched form of government, unlike in Civ5 with addons)
- the leaders actually had + and - points on certain values (same as politics) as well, which made thos choice very influential on your gameplay and strategies
- espionage that you could use as warfare using mind control etc
- the possibility to go only for monetary income and buy everything with that money instead of harvesting minerals
- different ways to optimise exploitation of the fields around your city, including specialising on living off forests (that expand on their own once planted!) , or the native fungus plants or just do the classic and set up a heavily industrialised borehole setup and use high-tech agrictulrue for food
- ALIEN FACTIONS
- satellite wars

The only thing I would add from the Civ5 games in matters of features would be some form of culture (religion should just be incorporated using the politics system) and the resource system (including trading) which however imo shouldnt be too influential on what you can build or not build (such as was the case with iron and oil in Civ) but should just give certain bonuses.

[Crim]

Kuki eredeti hozzászólása:

After all it isn't Alpha Centauri at all, neither from the looks nor from the gameplay.

So should Civ 5 not have been called a Civ game because it neither looks, nor has gameplay like Civ 2?

After all, Alpha Centauri was just a sci fi sequal to Civ 2

[Kuki]

Talamare eredeti hozzászólása:

Kuki eredeti hozzászólása:

After all it isn't Alpha Centauri at all, neither from the looks nor from the gameplay.

So should Civ 5 not have been called a Civ game because it neither looks, nor has gameplay like Civ 2?

Of course it should be. It doesnt mater if you or me or anyone else likes the changes made in the Civ series between the installments: they are still all Civ-style games and most of all: they play in the same era / "universe". They have the same theme and topics. However this game here (Beyon Earth) has very little to do with Alpha Centauri, the only similarity being that they are both Civ-style games made by few of the same developers (not important figures such as Bryan Reynolds though) and play in the future / have a sci-fi theme.

Talamare eredeti hozzászólása:

After all, Alpha Centauri was just a sci fi sequal to Civ 2 like Civ 2?

It wasnt a sequel. Alpha Centauri stood on its own. What would make it a sequel is if it contained any references to its predecessor's "story" or its characters or anything like that, which would make it a typical "sequel" in the sense as it is used typically. However, it was an entirely distinct game having its own story and environment. If they weren't made by some of the same people, there would be no ties whatsoever between those two games, other than the gameplay. Gameplay alone doesnt define what is a sequel. Or is Company of Heroes a sequel to Dawn of War?

My point is, if they had just made some Civ5 Mod by taking some of Alpha Centauri's/Alien Crossfire's leaders and units, and had called it "Alpha Centauri", it would have been quite disappointing. There is way more work to do than change the looks and names inside a game, to make it a worthy successor. And this game here very much just looks like a Civ5 mod. I will probably still play it and like it. But i most likely wont love it. But since they didnt use AC as name, I will at least not be annoyed.

[SamBC]

Well, it did kinda make references to being what happened after the Space Race victory in CivII. While BE is clearly not what happens after a Science Victory in Civ5.

[leandrombraz]

The developers said that even if they could use the name Alpha Centauri, they probably wouldn't do it because this is their own game. This game was made for Alpha Centauri and Civ fans, but it definitely isn't Alpha Centauri...

[Kuki]

SamBC eredeti hozzászólása:

Well, it did kinda make references to being what happened after the Space Race victory in CivII.

The whole thing is set up in a way that the end of the one game could potentially match the beginning of the other but there is no definition that things before AC happened as they did in Civ 2 or vice-versa. There is basically an open ending that could fit the open beginning. But no one claims that things before AC were the one way or things after Civ2 have to happen that way. Otherwise, Beyond Earth wouldnt be possible: It would conflict the "canon", the storyline, provided by Civ2 and Alpha Centauri. Clearly, this is not the case, because there is no such clearly written down storyline. AC can be seen as one kind of scenario for the future. Beyond Earth is more or less the official scenario of what happens after Civ (5?). That's how i see it at least.

leandrombraz eredeti hozzászólása:

The developers said that even if they could use the name Alpha Centauri, they probably wouldn't do it because this is their own game.

Kudos to them then. I dont like it when games get "misbranded" or when licenses get exploited for the sake of sales, i.e. when an entirely different game is marketed as sequel. Sacred 3 is a good example for such a case. But that's an extreme case and also done by a different developer.

[Woody]

Yes i am excited for the new civ game but i would like to see some more for civ 5. Corperations for one. I have been playing civ from the start and is the only game i keep comeing back to.

[SamBC]

Kuki eredeti hozzászólása:

SamBC eredeti hozzászólása:

Well, it did kinda make references to being what happened after the Space Race victory in CivII.

The whole thing is set up in a way that the end of the one game could potentially match the beginning of the other but there is no definition that things before AC happened as they did in Civ 2 or vice-versa. There is basically an open ending that could fit the open beginning. But no one claims that things before AC were the one way or things after Civ2 have to happen that way. Otherwise, Beyond Earth wouldnt be possible: It would conflict the "canon", the storyline, provided by Civ2 and Alpha Centauri. Clearly, this is not the case, because there is no such clearly written down storyline. AC can be seen as one kind of scenario for the future. Beyond Earth is more or less the official scenario of what happens after Civ (5?). That's how i see it at least. :profgenki:

They said in an interview that the story is based on the future of the real world, not the future past the end of a Civ5 game.