Recent negative reviews

[taytothief]

Anyone know what's up with the recent negative reviews or can explain what's going on? I've owned this for a while but never played it and generally don't know anything about thi genre

[triniarin]

About SUN and male protagonist, people forgot two things - BR:SUN not classic JRPG anymore, its classic row on row, gacha mobile rpg. Male protagonist actually PC (player character - player give him name, also he voiceless).
And logically every girl in even all girl school cant be lesbian-yuri. Also its not core theme for series (as i think - its mostly friendship, depression, emotions, etc...)
Also series from first part have sexualisation elements for some of male players *as other niche KT games too.

[Kaezeribato]

Originally posted by triniarin:

About SUN and male protagonist, people forgot two things - BR:SUN not classic JRPG anymore, its classic row on row, gacha mobile rpg. Male protagonist actually PC (player character - player give him name, also he voiceless).
And logically every girl in even all girl school cant be lesbian-yuri. Also its not core theme for series (as i think - its mostly friendship, depression, emotions, etc...)
Also series from first part have sexualisation elements for some of male players *as other niche KT games too.

Yuri is not limited to lesbian, many story that are only about female frienship are in the Yuri genre. That's the thing, and that's why people are pissed. Blue Reflection was made as a Yuri game and you cant put a male protagonist in a Yuri story.

What's more the game director spend his entire time lying after he found out that the fan of Blue Reflection were pissed off when they learned that the mobile game would be another low quality generic pseudo JRPG. Where all the female main personality trait would be that they are in love/horny for the MC.
At some point he even started going on about how Blue Reflection was supposed to have male playable character from the start. But it didn't happen because... reason.
But in reality Blue Reflection was made from the start to not have playable main character, simply because these are Yuri game about Magical Girls...

[Kaezeribato]

Just to add, the only time you find a male protagonist in a magical girl game, manga anything, it's because it's a pron...
Just knowing this is depressing.

[triniarin]

Kaezeribato, i think it will be like in Honkai 3rd (by the way yuri-lesbian theme there too), PC like commander or team leader (on other hand we have beach voleyball from KT, where every girl fall in love with PC.
I think there no problem with male character in BR if he will be not plain PC, but some... well, like Tuxedo Mask from Sailor Moon (Shaoran from Sakura...), full implemented character with his own story-character development. Not harem master, but may be inlove with some girl-friend with other. It will not ruin atmosphere of game. Problem, publisher saw success of some gacha mobile games and want money too (which nearly impossible to get from niche game in niche genre)

[Kaezeribato]

Originally posted by triniarin:

Kaezeribato, i think it will be like in Honkai 3rd (by the way yuri-lesbian theme there too), PC like commander or team leader (on other hand we have beach voleyball from KT, where every girl fall in love with PC.
I think there no problem with male character in BR if he will be not plain PC, but some... well, like Tuxedo Mask from Sailor Moon (Shaoran from Sakura...), full implemented character with his own story-character development. Not harem master, but may be inlove with some girl-friend with other. It will not ruin atmosphere of game. Problem, publisher saw success of some gacha mobile games and want money too (which nearly impossible to get from niche game in niche genre)

The Yuri nearly disapeared from Honkai impact since quite some time, simply because CCP. The last chapter literaly end with Kiana calling Bronya and Mei friend. Nothing more, since Kiana Queen aweakning you can count on one hand the time that could be seen as these two flirting. Bronya and Seele are the same, they act like sister since Seele's back.

All "big" Chinese buisness are under the CCP, and the CCP realy dont like this kind of things. It's obvious when you see that they even added the captain in the story when at first we played the character themself, and we were not any part of the story. Same for the self insert dude from APHO.
These were not only added to please the whale but to show the CCP that the game was not a Yuri game.
For Honkai's case it's more that they cant make a real Yuri story and need to make the romance the less visible if they dont want to have to anwser to their laws.

But for BR Sun it's realy different, the male character isn't just a self insert to please a minority. They made him to be the center of the Harem, nearly all the girls have romance scenes with the self insert.
The game is made by DMM, and they are know for making low quality cash grab like this.

[triniarin]

Well i said about some beach volleball from KT and published by DMM too. Which gacha harem game too) Well developers wants money. Which better to acclaim from mobile gacha game then from niche jRPG (especially oriented, as some players thinks ), for some sexual minority, ai shojou-yuri theme still lesbian theme) and lesbian still sexual minority)

[Kaezeribato]

Originally posted by triniarin:

Well i said about some beach volleball from KT and published by DMM too. Which gacha harem game too) Well developers wants money. Which better to acclaim from mobile gacha game then from niche jRPG (especially oriented, as some players thinks ), for some sexual minority, ai shojou-yuri theme still lesbian theme) and lesbian still sexual minority)

Yup lesbian are a minority, but yuri not being limited to gay women mean that it's not only aimed at lesbian. In fact there are more male than female that like the Yuri genre. That's why it's thriving.
You just need to look around different Yuri manga or anime to see that most of them do not contain any sex nor romance but simple friendship.
Most Yuri can be described as "cute girls doing cute things"

Just like how Yaoi is not limited to gay men, and in fact is nearly entirely loved by straight women.

[triniarin]

Originally posted by Kaezeribato:

Originally posted by triniarin:

Well i said about some beach volleball from KT and published by DMM too. Which gacha harem game too) Well developers wants money. Which better to acclaim from mobile gacha game then from niche jRPG (especially oriented, as some players thinks ), for some sexual minority, ai shojou-yuri theme still lesbian theme) and lesbian still sexual minority)

Yup lesbian are a minority, but yuri not being limited to gay women mean that it's not only aimed at lesbian. In fact there are more male than female that like the Yuri genre. That's why it's thriving.
You just need to look around different Yuri manga or anime to see that most of them do not contain any sex nor romance but simple friendship.
Most Yuri can be described as "cute girls doing cute things"

Just like how Yaoi is not limited to gay men, and in fact is nearly entirely loved by straight women.

I think you do mistake from shoujo genre (well, this genre currently mostly harem around girl. So i think there must be subgenre about shoujo friendship and slice of life)
yuri - are hentai subgenre, as i remember, about sex between woman. Like yaoi about gay sex between males. Shoujo ai - about lesbian love-romance, as shounen ai - about gay love.
Well, i think those naming because, well, there some kink about yuri-lesbian novadays.

[Kaezeribato]

Originally posted by triniarin:

Originally posted by Kaezeribato:

Yup lesbian are a minority, but yuri not being limited to gay women mean that it's not only aimed at lesbian. In fact there are more male than female that like the Yuri genre. That's why it's thriving.
You just need to look around different Yuri manga or anime to see that most of them do not contain any sex nor romance but simple friendship.
Most Yuri can be described as "cute girls doing cute things"

Just like how Yaoi is not limited to gay men, and in fact is nearly entirely loved by straight women.

I think you do mistake from shoujo genre (well, this genre currently mostly harem around girl. So i think there must be subgenre about shoujo friendship and slice of life)
yuri - are hentai subgenre, as i remember, about sex between woman. Like yaoi about gay sex between males. Shoujo ai - about lesbian love-romance, as shounen ai - about gay love.
Well, i think those naming because, well, there some kink about yuri-lesbian novadays.

Shoujo-Ai and Yuri are the exact same thing, the confusion come from occidental people who (god know why) decided to not follow the designation used by the Japanese and then divide the two.
The best exemple of why using Yuri for Hentai only make no sense is the name itself. Yuri come from Lili, the White Lili to be precise. The white lili symbolize purity and innocence.
But people loving their own ego more than everything else refuse to accept that they are wrong, so they keep going on and on about how the Japanese are wrong to use the two name for the same thing and how they are right to diferenciate the two.

It's the same for Yaoi and Shounen-Ai, they are the same thing. Well, i never looked into the meaning and origin of Yaoi so i cant help for this one.

If you look at Japanese work directly you see that they dont differentiate, and more than this you will often see these autor use Lili in their work, the flower or the name.

Also, Yuri's popularity dont come from any kind of "kink". It's actualy popular for the oposite, because there is no sex or anything related (well for those who are not porn, but porn being what it is...).
As for Yaoi, well... it's more... erotic, to say the least. For some weird reason even the most soft Yaoi are full of sexual tension.

After being in contact with fan of Yuri or Yaoi for long enouth you'll see that they never use Shojo-ai and Shounen-ai even for the work that are the most soft there can be.

I wrote way too much, again. But if it can help even one person get the fact that Yuri is not mean to designate porn then it's good.

[triniarin]

Well i also said they both more than about girls friendship. Its different because you need to recognise some medium about romance from medium about sex. (as writen on wiki - aboiut yuri "In the 1990s, western fans began to use the term shōjo-ai (少女愛, lit. "girl love") to describe yuri works that do not depict explicit sex. Its usage was modeled after the western appropriation of the term shōnen-ai (少年愛, lit. "boy love") to describe yaoi works that do not feature sexually explicit content.[4] In Japan, the term shōjo-ai is not used with this meaning,[4] and instead denotes pedophilic relationships between adult men and girls, with a similar meaning to the term lolicon.[14][15]" Well, i m not fan of yuri-shoujo ai (same for other kink genres too), but saw Revolutionary girl Utena, Каnazuki no Miko, partly Miyuki-chan in Wonderland (as fan of Clamp works, but not fan of yuri-lesbian theme)

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It's China being China. Weaksauce, Paper Tiger govt. sees the threat of a studio, which has influence due to it's many games promoting Chinese culture and heritage, in making an all male based variant of a series that's yuri (thus, yaoi) leaning. China's govt is heavily against the promotion of LGBTQLMNOPetc anything, but when it involves the male side of the spectrum it's even worse to them so they'd Xinnie the Pooh would definitely have no qualms with having the troll bot army fake cry about it.

It's 100% political.

[Kaezeribato]

Originally posted by Raijin1999:

It's China being China. Weaksauce, Paper Tiger govt. sees the threat of a studio, which has influence due to it's many games promoting Chinese culture and heritage, in making an all male based variant of a series that's yuri (thus, yaoi) leaning. China's govt is heavily against the promotion of LGBTQLMNOPetc anything, but when it involves the male side of the spectrum it's even worse to them so they'd Xinnie the Pooh would definitely have no qualms with having the troll bot army fake cry about it.

It's 100% political.

I dunno what you're talking about but everythings about Blue Reflection is based on Japanese culture. And no one review bombed this game because they are hating on yaoi since there is nothing even close to yaoi in the mobile game.
It's literaly just a generic harem with a useless and generic protagonist. People were pissed because they knew that the dev would make all the girls fall in love with MC, (which happened) and they knew that the game would hurt the franchise as a whole.

[Razgriz]

there a gacha game about blue reflection where the protagonist is a male mc, people hate that mostly chinese weebs, that all , this game is fine is fun, i like it , and the port works just fine, that is the reson of the bad review.

[switch]

What funny is even if we cut out the male mc problem, the mobile game itself is literally garbage too. It was badly made and have so many glaring issues when released and even if they have fixed them it's still not enjoyable to play. Feels like they already gave up on this series which is kinda sad.

[triniarin]

Well, they released Atelier gacha too. Thats is bad trend, after they saw success of DOA beach volleyball game they put every series to it. Next will be Fatal Frame may be...