Not having fun with this game

[RedTotalWar]

Hey guys, I've always been a gamer who's had equal fun with older and modern games. And given my love for fantasy RPGs, Gothic seemed right up my alley.

Yet, I'm not having fun with the game. I can get over the controls and slippery ground- I actually appreciate the combat system. What's preventing me from having fun:

1) The HP/defense system. I don't know how to advance my defense since nobody teaches it (I've seen teachers for strength, dexterity, pickpocketing, sneak, and archery, but not defense). It doesn't matter if I increase my strength- freakin forest wolves and wasps can one shot me despite me having the strength to hack them to death. If the solution is to get armor, then I'm SOL as the most reasonably priced armor is like 500 gold, and there's now way to barter that much outside of foraging a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of meat.

[RedTotalWar]

Origineel geplaatst door Oneeyed:

The first time I played Gothic I couldnt even kill a rat and died over and over again.

So I just put it back in my cupboad and thought fu(k this.

But a year later I tried it again and 4 hours later I was obsessed with the game. I played it 8 days straight with only 4 four hour breaks for sleeping.

And sweared a lot during this time and complained how hard it was for me.

So I guess he just has a hard time adjusting to the gothic series.

Criticizing me for having a hard time adjusting to the series when you openly admit to doing so yourself? Lol

[Oneeyed]

Morrowind holds that title in the US and UK probably. But in europe its gothic

Origineel geplaatst door RedTotalWar:

Origineel geplaatst door Razor:

There is a reason why Gothic is known as the basic of every sucessfull rpg nowadays. lol

Pretty sure Morrowind holds that title lol.

Origineel geplaatst door RedTotalWar:

Origineel geplaatst door Oneeyed:

The first time I played Gothic I couldnt even kill a rat and died over and over again.

So I just put it back in my cupboad and thought fu(k this.

But a year later I tried it again and 4 hours later I was obsessed with the game. I played it 8 days straight with only 4 four hour breaks for sleeping.

And sweared a lot during this time and complained how hard it was for me.

So I guess he just has a hard time adjusting to the gothic series.

Criticizing me for having a hard time adjusting to the series when you openly admit to doing so yourself? Lol

I wasnt critizing you, so hommie calm down youself :-)

[CzechKronner]

Gut gud. Gothic Is not fir casuals.

[JonDonWayne]

Origineel geplaatst door Oneeyed:

Morrowind holds that title in the US and UK probably. But in europe its gothic

Origineel geplaatst door RedTotalWar:

Pretty sure Morrowind holds that title lol.

Origineel geplaatst door RedTotalWar:

Criticizing me for having a hard time adjusting to the series when you openly admit to doing so yourself? Lol

I wasnt critizing you, so hommie calm down youself :-)

Once there was a big forum war about this topic and there are tons of youtube videos comparing both games, MW fans think morrowind is better and gothic fans think gothic is better....
I played both games and enjoyed them, but morrowind has aged badly (without mods), while i still replay gothic 1 n 2 every few years....

Gothic 1 & 2 were the better games overall (fully voiced characters and the view distance make morrowind look like even older than it already is)

[JestersFear]

Step 1: Do all non-combat quests and avoid monsters
Step 2: Put all into Strength
Step 3: Kill everything before it can even hit you

Your first layer of defense is not getting hit in the first place. Which is easy against most monsters (interrupt their attacks) and more difficult against humans (blocking is not really feasible in this game).

Without mods, Gothic 1 gets super easy really fast. You just have to avoid monsters and delay some quests for a while.

Once you join a camp, you will get free armor and can buy even better armor right away.

[Oneeyed]

Well yes that is what many people say. Gothic had NPC schedules, mostly no loading zones, a real NPC and Monster AI, even an combat AI, NPCs can hear, a view distance 10 times than vanilla Morrowind and so on.

Compare vanilla Gothic 2 to Morrowind then the differnce becomes even more glaring.

Even if I compare Gothic 3 to Oblivion than I like Gothic 3 more. Both games in vanilla a pure and utter sh!t. Both games crash all the time and the level scaling of vanilla Oblivion makes the game unbearable later when all the bandits have glass or deadra armor

But US or UK people usually disagree and point out to the scale of the game world in Morrowind, the complex and more interesting magic system, better camera, better controls and so on.

I can respect that. If they like these game more than they should play them.

The only thing that makes me mad sometimes is that TES players often come to the gothic forums with a superior attitude and start flame wars how bad gothic is and pester the people here.

I never went to Morrowind/Oblivion/Skyrim forums and told the people there how bad I think these games are in comparison to Gothic/Risen so I expect the same them.

Origineel geplaatst door JonDonWayne:

Origineel geplaatst door Oneeyed:

Morrowind holds that title in the US and UK probably. But in europe its gothic





I wasnt critizing you, so hommie calm down youself :-)

Once there was a big forum war about this topic and there are tons of youtube videos comparing both games, MW fans think morrowind is better and gothic fans think gothic is better....
I played both games and enjoyed them, but morrowind has aged badly (without mods), while i still replay gothic 1 n 2 every few years....

Gothic 1 & 2 were the better games overall (fully voiced characters and the view distance make morrowind look like even older than it already is)

[RedTotalWar]

Origineel geplaatst door CzechKronner:

Gut gud. Gothic Is not fir casuals.

But evidently for people who don't speak the Queen's English much :)

[RedTotalWar]

Origineel geplaatst door JonDonWayne:

Once there was a big forum war about this topic and there are tons of youtube videos comparing both games, MW fans think morrowind is better and gothic fans think gothic is better....
I played both games and enjoyed them, but morrowind has aged badly (without mods), while i still replay gothic 1 n 2 every few years....

Gothic 1 & 2 were the better games overall (fully voiced characters and the view distance make morrowind look like even older than it already is)

One thing that definitely blows me away is how ahead of its time Gothic is. NPCs have their own schedules, they talk to each other, there's dynamic weather, day/night cycles, people react when you go inside their homes (something TES and Zelda STILL don't have), they react when you draw your weapon. And the AI isn't half bad what with beasts aiming to surround you by default over going one after the other.

[RedTotalWar]

Origineel geplaatst door JestersFear:

Step 1: Do all non-combat quests and avoid monsters
Step 2: Put all into Strength
Step 3: Kill everything before it can even hit you

Your first layer of defense is not getting hit in the first place. Which is easy against most monsters (interrupt their attacks) and more difficult against humans (blocking is not really feasible in this game).

Without mods, Gothic 1 gets super easy really fast. You just have to avoid monsters and delay some quests for a while.

Once you join a camp, you will get free armor and can buy even better armor right away.

1) Copy, I think I've done as many as I can.

2) Did strength and one 1h sword upgrade. Definitely makes things tolerable.

3) Easier said than done when most creatures can one-shot you, but I'm getting the hang of the dodge function at least.

Hope so mate.

Ah, sucks that you get free armor. I already spent 500 ore on these pair of pants.

[RedTotalWar]

Origineel geplaatst door Oneeyed:

I wasnt critizing you, so hommie calm down youself :-)

Sorry mate, lots of pretentious people getting on my ass here.

[polski8bit]

The thing with enemies one-shotting you is a clever way to block off certain areas of the game for you. You ARE supposed to get one-shotted until you're strong enough, both defense and attack wise, to tackle on bigger threats. It's not a game where you can just run around and beat everything to death while dodge-rolling like Dark Souls if you're good enough. It's an RPG, even if a simplified one, so your stats also matter. Though as said before, you can actually block even monsters in the 1st game.

Then again I'm not surprised that some "get on your ass" when you can't be bothered to even check for keybinds and the stat screen lol Really, it's as simple as hitting the universal pause button aka ESC and going into Options and I believe you're smart enough to figure that out. Hard to believe you "have no issues" playing old games, because there is a lot of them like Gothic, that don't have tutorial screens telling you everthing you need to know to get started.

[RedTotalWar]

Origineel geplaatst door polski8bit:

The thing with enemies one-shotting you is a clever way to block off certain areas of the game for you. You ARE supposed to get one-shotted until you're strong enough, both defense and attack wise, to tackle on bigger threats. It's not a game where you can just run around and beat everything to death while dodge-rolling like Dark Souls if you're good enough. It's an RPG, even if a simplified one, so your stats also matter. Though as said before, you can actually block even monsters in the 1st game.

Then again I'm not surprised that some "get on your ass" when you can't be bothered to even check for keybinds and the stat screen lol Really, it's as simple as hitting the universal pause button aka ESC and going into Options and I believe you're smart enough to figure that out. Hard to believe you "have no issues" playing old games, because there is a lot of them like Gothic, that don't have tutorial screens telling you everthing you need to know to get started.

Lmao, what? Block off certain areas of the game? Literally every area of the game has these one-shot monsters. I'm not just talking about orcs, which yeah, are technically stronger, but the problem is all these monsters have that same strength courtesy of there being no defense stat that you can upgrade like in any other RPG. You can also literally outmaneuver most of them, meaning it's not hard to get to any of the three towns, just tedious.

Hey man, I'll eat crow and admit I was an idiot for not being able to find the stat screen, but that literally has nothing to do with the creatures since it's not like there's a defense skill.

I really have had no issues with older games, at least not the ones that have come out around the time that Gothic. It's honestly silly to brag about beating the game without a tutorial considering most of these early computer games had handbooks that substituted as tutorials lol.

[Kennedy]

If you would try to understand the fighting system and get better at it, instead of whining around here because the combat system isn't the way you want it, you would have beaten the game by now, or at least mastered the combat.
As multiple people already said, listen to the NPCs. They give you tips, like fight one enemy at a time and "Don't get hit first", because you can stunlock enemies. Also, stay on the paths and stay inside some camp in the beginning. And there is actually a big difference dying in 1 hit and dying in 2 after one level-up.

The fighting in general isn't the focus of the game. You basically tank damage until your enemy dies. If you're about to get into a fight, use F5 to quicksave and if you die, F9 to quickload.

Because you asked about stats, press B to see them. And there are no progress-bars or fancy animated UI elements. All stats are shown in numbers, like Morrowind.

[RedTotalWar]

Origineel geplaatst door Lil Kennedy:

If you would try to understand the fighting system and get better at it, instead of whining around here because the combat system isn't the way you want it, you would have beaten the game by now, or at least mastered the combat.
As multiple people already said, listen to the NPCs. They give you tips, like fight one enemy at a time and "Don't get hit first", because you can stunlock enemies. Also, stay on the paths and stay inside some camp in the beginning. And there is actually a big difference dying in 1 hit and dying in 2 after one level-up.

The fighting in general isn't the focus of the game. You basically tank damage until your enemy dies. If you're about to get into a fight, use F5 to quicksave and if you die, F9 to quickload.

Because you asked about stats, press B to see them. And there are no progress-bars or fancy animated UI elements. All stats are shown in numbers, like Morrowind.

Maybe you outta take just a minute out of your day to read this entire thread, because if you did you would see that I have been adapting to the combat system, though I still think it's ridiculously flawed to not provide a defense stat in a fantasy RPG. But I guess for fanboys like yourself even that's asking for too much.

I have done the opposite of hiding in the camp- I've been frequently traversing b/w the three camps because this is an open world game and I'm not going to let a combat flaw stop me from enjoying things. Luckily, I've been investing skill points into strength and 1h weapons, and managed to procure some armor in Old Town, so the issue has become a lot more tolerable.

You can't tank damage in Gothic- it's literally the opposite where you are better off dodging b/c attacking straight-up is going to get you whacked easily.

I found the stat screen and was admittedly an idiot for not being able to find it initially.

[Oneeyed]

I really like that you dont have anything in the beginning. No armor, no rep and mostly everyone treats you like dirt.

Then you have work your way up. And you cant go to many places because there are monsters there which will rip you apart and you cant do anything about it and have to wait to go there until you are stronger.

And after you got stronger you its so rewarding and you feel you have accomplished something.

There are only some older rpgs which gave me the same feeling.

Well I understand that kind of difficulty is not everyone's cup and they have more fun playing something else. Which is totally fine.

People who never played an hardcore rpg like Gothic before of course have some trouble first. That is because its so different from main stream games. Butl there are also rpgs which are even harder e. g. Gothic 2, Blade of Darkness or Eschalon Book 2 for example.

So I am glad you got it now and I hope you have fun with the game. At least in Gothic 2 you get armor pretty quickly about 5 minutes after the start of the game. So you can look forward to it. ^^