Rebored Riffles

[HenryPigLatin]

Rebored Muskets start out with zero standardization, and thus take forever to produce. Given that the entire purpose of them is to be a very cheap and fast, albeit crappy, weapon to produce, I suggest having this start out with high standardization.

[AmbroseTecumsehLee]

+1

[Stale Baguette Police]

+1

Same with legacy rifles. Not a huge boost, but presumably there was *some* ability to produce domestically prior to the war.

[Stone]

Yes something to make rebore even a thought. As it stands now no matter which side I play I skip them. Springfield are a higher price but better quality and I get them just as fast it feels like. As far as running two production weapons it's still better as it stands to ignore them. And select something else to produce. I mentioned once to have the policy replace the starting weapons for new Brigades from mixed to rebore but that caught no traction.

Edit: After reading on the rebore of the 1842 the thought comes that maybe the rebore policy should just give you a lump sum of them. Something like enough to outfit 10 full Brigades.

[BenQ.pl]

Originally posted by Stone:

Yes something to make rebore even a thought. As it stands now no matter which side I play I skip them. Springfield are a higher price but better quality and I get them just as fast it feels like. As far as running two production weapons it's still better as it stands to ignore them. And select something else to produce. I mentioned once to have the policy replace the starting weapons for new Brigades from mixed to rebore but that caught no traction.

Love that idea

For me standarization could just be "taken" from mixed muskets. Some tweaking to weapon stocks would be probably needed, but the more mixed muskets you have the more production power you can transfer to rebore them

[Stone]

It just feels like there's not much reason. It's kinda like the arms dealer policy. I never mess with that anymore since the new system bypasses it. No matter if I take it or not I can still produce Springfields as the CSA. This would be something else to look into. A change here could be that the US Brigades get the 42 as a standard start and CSA gets mixed muskets unless they take the arms dealer policy in which they themselves can have 42s for raised brigades. And as we said the rebore isn't much better but it's a rifle and that policy would change once again what brigades are raised with. This way there feels like a gradual step up in the lower 3 weapons.

[HenryPigLatin]

I've notntried the arms dealer policy as the South. On paper I can see logic to it. The souths biggest problem in 1862 is weapons procurement.

The confederates riffles package and the legacy rifles package does give them 4 quality rifles to run at the same time, but even still they take forever. For sure their difficulty and low standardization is a factor. Notnsure how much the lack of industry impacts that or not. Mt current game is CSA and I've produced fewer of those 4 riffles than I have imported Enfield... just the 1 line. Contrast that to my last USA game where I didn't import any weapons. I got springfields and sharps and that was my only 2 riffles buys. USA is able to produce all the Springfields needed.

The question is if the south takes weapons policy, do they have the industry to produce loads of springfields. If so, its probably worth it. I will test.

[Stone]

Originally posted by HenryPigLatin:

The question is if the south takes weapons policy, do they have the industry to produce loads of springfields. If so, its probably worth it. I will test.

Look at the description in game. It says if the CSA takes the policy they can produce Springfields. Now the thing is as the CSA I don't take the policy and I still have the option to produce Springfields if I so wish. Kinda makes half of that policy worthless.

[Waxolm5]

Originally posted by HenryPigLatin:

Rebored Muskets start out with zero standardization, and thus take forever to produce. Given that the entire purpose of them is to be a very cheap and fast, albeit crappy, weapon to produce, I suggest having this start out with high standardization.

Yeah, I hope they add a higher starting standardization for the rebored muskets. They should be much quicker to make than other rifles.

[chsalpha]

+1

Agreed. Rebored rifles should be faster to produce. Currently it takes way too long.

[Waxolm5]

I find it frustrating that inevitably the Mississippi rifle has a higher starting standardization than the rebored rifles, so you'll always have more (higher valued, complex) Mississippi rifles than the simple rebored rifle. I think this needs to be adjusted.

[Silver-Phoenix]

Or an option to shuffle your stocks of various muskets back to be re-bored. Initially there would be no standardisation because fundamentally they are any old muskets rebored. If the initial project converted any you had in stock into rebores (over time), then that stockpile could be your starting "standardisation"

They are supposed to be a quick, nasty, cheap option. At the moment they are just nasty, and not really worth it.

[HenryPigLatin]

renewing this suggestion lol