CSA: Confederate Rifles or Legacy Rifles?

[Jorge_S]

For the early war, which project/ rifle makes the most sense for the CSA
Confederate Rifles ($2M) --> Fayetteville and Richmond rifles + Richmond carbine
Legacy Rifles ($1.5M) --> Mississippi rifle

Fayetteville has a faster reloading, Mississippi is more accurate
Confederate rifles is a more expensive project, but also comes with a carbine

[ikebrown]

confederate rifles is what I do. more bang for my buck

[The_Vengeful_0ne]

Originally posted by Jorge_S:

For the early war, which project/ rifle makes the most sense for the CSA
Confederate Rifles ($2M) --> Fayetteville and Richmond rifles + Richmond carbine
Legacy Rifles ($1.5M) --> Mississippi rifle

Fayetteville has a faster reloading, Mississippi is more accurate
Confederate rifles is a more expensive project, but also comes with a carbine

So Southern research system goes like this. Max all subsidies. Military 1 to Army of Alabama regulars. Militia 1, militia 2 or Military 2.

Administration Reform, Administration Reform, Legacy RIfles, Administration Reform, Sharps Rifles. Cavalry Reform 1, any cannon unlocker - I like parrots or 3inch ordinance because of their kill values over the wiard, james, and napoleons. Less penetration, but better infantry kill values.

Only use Trade Deals for Diplomacy subsidies. You dont need enfields, lorenz, krupp, whitworths etc. Nice to have late game, but completely unnecessary early and mid. The money is better for you with trade deals.

You don't need carbines because you aren't making cavalry brigades until atleast 63. Don't build any plains rifles, just Mississippi. Give all the good rifles across your armies to Army of Alabama and abuse their training by jumping on rail to Richmond and winning Bull Run hard.

Cavalry is shock tool, not a sit and shoot with slow load musketoons. If you want to dismount do it in loose form with sharps carbines in mid 63 and use improved fire rate to inflict far removed casualty differences.

P.S. look at accuracy differences between sharps, Fayetteville, Joslyns, and colt/hall. Have to think about standardization, cost, time to unlock and produce. Sharps just makes the most sense.

[Deacon]

The Mississippi Rifles and Fayetteville Rifles are wonderful. I won't do anything else as confederate. These were excellent rifles in real life and in game.

[Jorge_S]

Thanks a lot
from just gameplay perspective, the Mississippi rifle is the better early game
but I ended up choosing the Fayetteville as it feels a bit unrealistic from a historical/ real life perspective to resurrect an ancient rifle when the better option (in real, not in game) is available. Range didn't matter much in the CW as there was no marksmanship training.
Same goes for the "Regulars" act. It is good from gameplay perspectives, but I don't like the idea of magical veterans popping up from nowhere and enlisting for permanent army duty

[CoachMac]

Very interesting chat.
One thing i dont get, is the trade deal and the lack of values from Austrian rifles.

My main issue with CSA is to deliver weapons on time.
So for me Lorenz is must have because it delivers mass quality weapons for relatively cheap cost in parallel to my own capacity to deliver.

By the way i struggle to understand the benefit of trade deals.
What am i missing ?

[bylandt11]

Originally posted by CoachMac:

My main issue with CSA is to deliver weapons on time.
So for me Lorenz is must have because it delivers mass quality weapons for relatively cheap cost in parallel to my own capacity to deliver.

I completely agree. In the beginning of the war my main problem as the CSA is not manpower, but enough decent weapons te send these men to the front. By decent weapons, I mean only one thing: rifles with 400 y range and least mediocre accuracy, i.e. Springfield rifled muskets (from Arms Agents) and Lorenz rifles. They make all the difference.
The problem is these weapons end the war in 1861, at the latest in 1862. So sometilmes I apply a house rule of not importing weapons. In that case I follow Springfield rifles up with confederate riflles.

[ArIskandir]

Originally posted by Jorge_S:

For the early war, which project/ rifle makes the most sense for the CSA
Confederate Rifles ($2M) --> Fayetteville and Richmond rifles + Richmond carbine
Legacy Rifles ($1.5M) --> Mississippi rifle

Fayetteville has a faster reloading, Mississippi is more accurate
Confederate rifles is a more expensive project, but also comes with a carbine

Austrian Rifles and buy all the Lorenz you need, really.

Import is the way if you need rifles quickly. The problem with production is the delivery time, it takes close to a year to deliver ~10K Confederate rifles, Legacy rifles are even slower to produce.

Overall, Confederate is better than legacy, you also get to produce Carabines for you Cavalry which are harder to import.

[ArIskandir]

Originally posted by CoachMac:

Very interesting chat.
One thing i dont get, is the trade deal and the lack of values from Austrian rifles.

By the way i struggle to understand the benefit of trade deals.
What am i missing ?

I think it translates into more import/export deals, so you earn more through tariffs and should strengthen your economy. At least that's the theory.

[LCcmdr]

All of the above routes and suggestions work, and they do help the industrial poor South to field markedly improved weapons.

For me, the answers depends upon how I'm going to strategically order my major policy research: if I go with Military first, then getting the Richmond rifles becomes much more likely earlier in the war. If I start with Diplomacy, then getting the Austrian rifles is so much faster than waiting for the British Enfield rifle and carbine (which is a better choice to bolster my cavalry). OTOH, infantry and artillery is so much more necessary in the early war than cavalry!

As to an earlier post, YES, invoke all the Trade Deal policies that you can since this adds a tremendous cumulative wealth to your struggling economy. I believe that Great Scots did a video on the economy. Whoever did so, convinced me that doing Corn or Cotton, and making trade deals was better than getting weapons.

[Probably Tim]

Originally posted by Jorge_S:

For the early war, which project/ rifle makes the most sense for the CSA
Confederate Rifles ($2M) --> Fayetteville and Richmond rifles + Richmond carbine
Legacy Rifles ($1.5M) --> Mississippi rifle

Fayetteville has a faster reloading, Mississippi is more accurate
Confederate rifles is a more expensive project, but also comes with a carbine

Springfield best bang for your buck.

between those two you ask, I prefer legacy. Mississippi rifles are dope. Good range and accuracy, especially early game.