Cant seem to get a state to surrender

[Nox]

What am I missing? I kicked out all the other sides units and captured everything.

[Atheory]

I think state support has to be a certain level towards you, and a low level towards the opposing side. I don't know what the exact values are, but just as an example, to flip Kentucky to the confederacy support for you in the state must be above 75 and under 30 for the union.

State support will change over time, so eventually, in theory, the state should flip for you. Now its probably impossible, or extremely difficult to flip non-border state. but others could probably speak better to this.

[Tal-Knight2]

I'm pretty sure Kentucky and Missouri are hard-coded to switch to CSA as soon as the state capital is captured and all Union forces are kicked out. I've never seen the support in those states be an issue; albeit I've never tried to capture them while support was super-low.

[crono900]

Originally posted by Tal-Knight2:

I'm pretty sure Kentucky and Missouri are hard-coded to switch to CSA as soon as the state capital is captured and all Union forces are kicked out. I've never seen the support in those states be an issue; albeit I've never tried to capture them while support was super-low.

My problem with Kentucky is that, historically it was a neutral state that said they would align with the opposite side that entered it's territory first. Missouri had somewhat high Union support, but the governor wanted it to join the CSA, so he collected all of those that supported the CSA and form the Missouri Guard. Other than that the population was for the Union.

I had suggested that they start the war for the Spring '61 campaign with Kentucky's border the color of grey, then change it to the side that does not enter it.

[Oubley]

i was actually going to post a question about kentucky but i guess I can do it here

Is kentucky ever neutral? All my campaigns it seems like both sides are free to roam around in it. What is the point of the newspaper article you get in the '61 campaign if it isn't ever neutral

[crono900]

Originally posted by Oubley:

i was actually going to post a question about kentucky but i guess I can do it here

Is kentucky ever neutral? All my campaigns it seems like both sides are free to roam around in it. What is the point of the newspaper article you get in the '61 campaign if it isn't ever neutral

+1

[Polygon]

Historically, Kentucky had a Confederate sympathizing State Guard and a Union sympathizing Home Guard. It could be an option for the game to reflect these forces so that whichever army violates Kentucky’s borders would have to tangle with either or both of these forces.

Additionally, Kentucky held elections in June of 1861 where republicans dominated and Kentucky became a veto proof unionist’s government. This, or some variation of it, could also be reflected in the game.

[Atheory]

Within reason, the game is mostly a sandbox war game. So I can understand why kentucky is more an open free for all from the start. I wonder if part of the decision for this was to somewhat mitigate a player blitzing through the state.

[Oubley]

Originally posted by Atheory:

I think state support has to be a certain level towards you, and a low level towards the opposing side. I don't know what the exact values are, but just as an example, to flip Kentucky to the confederacy support for you in the state must be above 75 and under 30 for the union.

State support will change over time, so eventually, in theory, the state should flip for you. Now its probably impossible, or extremely difficult to flip non-border state. but others could probably speak better to this.

I've never played the game long enough for a state to flip other then West Virginia, but I thought someone said some of the states, particularly the non boarder one's didn't "flip" as much as you got a "occupied" status.

[Atheory]

Originally posted by Oubley:

Originally posted by Atheory:

I've never played the game long enough for a state to flip other then West Virginia, but I thought someone said some of the states, particularly the non boarder one's didn't "flip" as much as you got a "occupied" status.

Would love for a dev to clarify this....I have cherries.