GG Dream Daddy fanbase

[DankSlayer]

https://twitter.com/ohnips/status/891079034116886529

So this artist made a drawing of all Dream Daddy dads as women. Nothing special, genderbent stuff exists.


BUT she was suddenly attacked by a ton of hate because apparently this is offensive towards trans people. Many people even went as far as to send her death threats OVER A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ DRAWING.

Even after the devs told everyone to stop, the harassment continued, and now the artist decided to leave the social media because it was too much.



Good job. Now this fanbase is as toxic as the ones for Undertale, FNAF, Steven Universe and so on.

[thanatos101b]

WorldsaStage の投稿を引用：

The majority of this thread has been nothing but victim blaming. Oh she sure was askkng for it, wasn't she? Guess with this group approved scarlet letter she'll know better next time, right?

The entire point of putting art in public is for people to consider it. So yeah, she if she didn't want critical apprasal she should have kept her art private. That's how art works.

But I do love how you have conflated people pointing out her art was bad with "victim blaming."

So, I am going to assume you have never been critical of any work of art, ever?

[LupisVolk]

thanatos101b の投稿を引用：

The entire point of putting art in public is for people to consider it. So yeah, she if she didn't want critical apprasal she should have kept her art private. That's how art works.

But I do love how you have conflated people pointing out her art was bad with "victim blaming."

So, I am going to assume you have never been critical of any work of art, ever?

There's being critical and then there was what she got, a tirade of triggered, moral busybodies spewing out death threats. To equate that as anything near critical apprasal is just.......just what the hell.

[eep eep]

thanatos101b の投稿を引用：

WorldsaStage の投稿を引用：

The majority of this thread has been nothing but victim blaming. Oh she sure was askkng for it, wasn't she? Guess with this group approved scarlet letter she'll know better next time, right?

The entire point of putting art in public is for people to consider it. So yeah, she if she didn't want critical apprasal she should have kept her art private. That's how art works.

But I do love how you have conflated people pointing out her art was bad with "victim blaming."

So, I am going to assume you have never been critical of any work of art, ever?

There's a fine line between considering arts and sending scary death threats at the innocent artist like every moron SFWs.

[WorldsaStage]

thanatos101b の投稿を引用：

WorldsaStage の投稿を引用：

The majority of this thread has been nothing but victim blaming. Oh she sure was askkng for it, wasn't she? Guess with this group approved scarlet letter she'll know better next time, right?

The entire point of putting art in public is for people to consider it. So yeah, she if she didn't want critical apprasal she should have kept her art private. That's how art works.

But I do love how you have conflated people pointing out her art was bad with "victim blaming."

So, I am going to assume you have never been critical of any work of art, ever?

I have a bachelor's in arts dude, you don't know what the ♥♥♥♥ you're talking about.

And people aren't being critical of her work, their being critical of a perceived sleight, it's disingenuous to portray the argument like you are.

[Sir-Bear]

While we're arguing about weather or not discussing the issues with the art is victim blaming, is no one going to address this lovely example of victim blaming in this very thread?

Glaex is dead の投稿を引用：

This is why nobody will respect Trans communities like this, or other communities like this. People generally don't respond well to bullying or death threats, and will generally hate you for it. Don't expect respect and equal treatment in return if this is your attitude.

[thanatos101b]

LupisVolk の投稿を引用：

There's being critical and then there was what she got, a tirade of triggered, moral busybodies spewing out death threats. To equate that as anything near critical apprasal is just.......just what the hell.

If you bothered to read this thread you could find a couple dozen examples of critical appraisal none of which contain death threats.

WorldsaStage の投稿を引用：

I have a bachelor's in arts dude, you don't know what the ♥♥♥♥ you're talking about.

And people aren't being critical of her work, their being critical of a perceived sleight, it's disingenuous to portray the argument like you are.

Yeah, I'm not the one who doesn't know what he is talking about. If there is a slight, then that is part of the artwork. Either it is intentional, in which case she was deliberately being provocative. Or it is unintentional, in which case her art was just poorly thought out. Either way (and I think I know which way this art is).

The fact that you don't understand this would mean you don't understand decades worth of protest art, performance art, and the very basics of critical theory.

And speaking of disingenuous, whether her art was good or bad is an entirely separate and unrelated subject to whether the artist received death threats. You conflating the two is absolutely disingenuous.

Scmnz の投稿を引用：

While we're arguing about weather or not discussing the issues with the art is victim blaming, is no one going to address this lovely example of victim blaming in this very thread?

As we can tell by several people in this thread, the right-wingers saw an opportunity to attack trans people and immediately grabbed onto it.

[auggienaut]

If i can be honest, I thought everyone was upset because the brian genderbend wasn't heavyset like the original character. But now that I know what the real issue is, I guess my only opinion is that I don't care to honor her piece with an opinion or acknowledgment. I can see why someone would find it offensive and I can also see how it isn't offensive. But for me it doesn't matter because the artist is just generally a terrible person. I can't see myself honoring her work with an honest opinion because I can't honor herself as a good enough person to consider. I guess it would sound like I'm just ignoring the problem and that it really wouldn't help at all, but I don't think being critical will change who she is and the work she produces. She's essentially become a troll with her slurs and bigotry and I don't need that kind of negativity in my life.

[WorldsaStage]

thanatos101b の投稿を引用：

LupisVolk の投稿を引用：

There's being critical and then there was what she got, a tirade of triggered, moral busybodies spewing out death threats. To equate that as anything near critical apprasal is just.......just what the hell.

If you bothered to read this thread you could find a couple dozen examples of critical appraisal none of which contain death threats.

WorldsaStage の投稿を引用：

I have a bachelor's in arts dude, you don't know what the ♥♥♥♥ you're talking about.

And people aren't being critical of her work, their being critical of a perceived sleight, it's disingenuous to portray the argument like you are.

Yeah, I'm not the one who doesn't know what he is talking about. If there is a slight, then that is part of the artwork. Either it is intentional, in which case she was deliberately being provocative. Or it is unintentional, in which case her art was just poorly thought out. Either way (and I think I know which way this art is).

The fact that you don't understand this would mean you don't understand decades worth of protest art, performance art, and the very basics of critical theory.

And speaking of disingenuous, whether her art was good or bad is an entirely separate and unrelated subject to whether the artist received death threats. You conflating the two is absolutely disingenuous.

Scmnz の投稿を引用：

While we're arguing about weather or not discussing the issues with the art is victim blaming, is no one going to address this lovely example of victim blaming in this very thread?

As we can tell by several people in this thread, the right-wingers saw an opportunity to attack trans people and immediately grabbed onto it.

You're the one who said I was conflating people saying her art was bad with victim blaming when in reality people arent discussing her shading or if the designs are flat and contrived, they're saying "yeah death threats are bad but she shouldnt have pissed off tumblr. So yeah you're right, it's an entirely different subject you brought up.

She didn't know Damien was trans, so yeah it's a perceived sleight. The people saying the gendered switched Damien is now a trans woman are just as right as the people saying the act of drawing it was transphobic, they both alter the same amount of reality to fit things in.

Also lol at the right winger thing, I voted for Obama twice and I've protested for gay rights at rallies. Do go on, continue to make internet strawmen that conform to your biases.

[thanatos101b]

WorldsaStage の投稿を引用：

You're the one who said I was conflating people saying her art was bad with victim blaming when in reality people arent discussing her shading or if the designs are flat and contrived, they're saying "yeah death threats are bad but she shouldnt have pissed off tumblr. So yeah you're right, it's an entirely different subject you brought up.

So you actually don't know anything about art criticism? Because if you did you would know what you said was just monumentally ignorant. Guess what? Both art and art criticism extend beyond composition. You should know that just from La trahison des images.

WorldsaStage の投稿を引用：

She didn't know Damien was trans, so yeah it's a perceived sleight. The people saying the gendered switched Damien is now a trans woman are just as right as the people saying the act of drawing it was transphobic, they both alter the same amount of reality to fit things in.

Like I said, her art work was poorly thought out. Which makes it bad. If you are doing art and you don't understand your own subject... you aren't making good art. And frankly, doing a gender swapped version of this game isn't going to result in anything approaching good art, well ever.

WorldsaStage の投稿を引用：

Also lol at the right winger thing, I voted for Obama twice and I've protested for gay rights at rallies. Do go on, continue to make internet strawmen that conform to your biases.

And that comment wasn't directed towards you, which is why it wasn't said to you. It was about people who have words like "Fuher" in their names, don't own the game, and put stuff like "cuck patrol" in their bios.

[WorldsaStage]

thanatos101b の投稿を引用：

WorldsaStage の投稿を引用：

You're the one who said I was conflating people saying her art was bad with victim blaming when in reality people arent discussing her shading or if the designs are flat and contrived, they're saying "yeah death threats are bad but she shouldnt have pissed off tumblr. So yeah you're right, it's an entirely different subject you brought up.

So you actually don't know anything about art criticism? Because if you did you would know what you said was just monumentally ignorant. Guess what? Both art and art criticism extend beyond composition. You should know that just from La trahison des images.

WorldsaStage の投稿を引用：

She didn't know Damien was trans, so yeah it's a perceived sleight. The people saying the gendered switched Damien is now a trans woman are just as right as the people saying the act of drawing it was transphobic, they both alter the same amount of reality to fit things in.

Like I said, her art work was poorly thought out. Which makes it bad. If you are doing art and you don't understand your own subject... you aren't making good art. And frankly, doing a gender swapped version of this game isn't going to result in anything approaching good art, well ever.

WorldsaStage の投稿を引用：

Also lol at the right winger thing, I voted for Obama twice and I've protested for gay rights at rallies. Do go on, continue to make internet strawmen that conform to your biases.

And that comment wasn't directed towards you, which is why it wasn't said to you. It was about people who have words like "Fuher" in their names, don't own the game, and put stuff like "cuck patrol" in their bios.

Ah, then for that I apologize.

[thanatos101b]

Bizarre Fighting Technique の投稿を引用：

So women cant be gay/bi?

...This makes no sense as a response. Literally none. Go back, look at the thought process that made you write this, and then reconsider.

Bizarre Fighting Technique の投稿を引用：

And how is doing genter bent straight characters not """""earsing"""" their heterosexuality?

Because they would still be heterosexual. See, a key factor in heterosexuality is that there are two genders involved. So if you change a heterosexual character's gender, you are not changing their sexual orientation. In particular if you happen to change both characters in a heterosexual couple. However you can't be a gay man unless you happen to be both gay and a man.

Also, because you seem to lack reading comprehension, when I mentioned erasing, I wasn't talking about any aspect of the characters. I was talking about how the art erased what, presumably, is the target audience. A target audience that has almost no content whatsoever designed for them, so going, "But what if... this was a game for heterosexuals!" is, at the very least, going to be in incredibly poor taste.

Just as a side note, you don't need three sets of quotation marks to quote someone.

Bizarre Fighting Technique の投稿を引用：

Are you retarded? What a complete joke of an arguement and you are stupid as ♥♥♥♥.

Helpful hint, if you want people to take you seriously as a not horrible human being, I wouldn't throw that particular word around. Also the fact that you wrote four sentences and managed to get everything wrong, say nothing, fail at logic, and demonstrate extreme ignorance makes it a real glass houses situation.

[robomagon]

thanatos101b の投稿を引用：

Bizarre Fighting Technique の投稿を引用：

So women cant be gay/bi?

...This makes no sense as a response. Literally none. Go back, look at the thought process that made you write this, and then reconsider.

Makes perfect sense to me. A single woman with a child dating other single(mostly) women with children is still completely gay. I don't see how it's "transphobic" at all.

Bizarre Fighting Technique の投稿を引用：

And how is doing genter bent straight characters not """""earsing"""" their heterosexuality?

Because they would still be heterosexual. See, a key factor in heterosexuality is that there are two genders involved. So if you change a heterosexual character's gender, you are not changing their sexual orientation. In particular if you happen to change both characters in a heterosexual couple. However you can't be a gay man unless you happen to be both gay and a man.

I'm not entirely sure how many genders there are presently, but I'm pretty sure most combinations of them aren't considered "heterosexual". And changing someones gender always changes their sexual orientation, because that's linked to both the person's gender and the gender they're attracted to.

Also, because you seem to lack reading comprehension, when I mentioned erasing, I wasn't talking about any aspect of the characters. I was talking about how the art erased what, presumably, is the target audience. A target audience that has almost no content whatsoever designed for them, so going, "But what if... this was a game for heterosexuals!" is, at the very least, going to be in incredibly poor taste.

I really hate to burst your bubble here, but this game's target audience, is a combination of youtubers, gay men, and young to middle-aged women.

And no, going "what is if was a game made for heterosexuals?" is not in poor taste at all. Genderbent art of straight characters is very common. As is homosexual fanfiction of heterosexual fictional characters and real life celebrities. No one throws a huge fit over it.

Just as a side note, you don't need three sets of quotation marks to quote someone.

Bizarre Fighting Technique の投稿を引用：

Are you retarded? What a complete joke of an arguement and you are stupid as ♥♥♥♥.

Helpful hint, if you want people to take you seriously as a not horrible human being, I wouldn't throw that particular word around. Also the fact that you wrote four sentences and managed to get everything wrong, say nothing, fail at logic, and demonstrate extreme ignorance makes it a real glass houses situation.

A horrible human being? Gotta disagree. But yes, it's definitely not a word to be used in a civil discussion where you actually want to be taken seriously.

[thanatos101b]

robomagon の投稿を引用：

Makes perfect sense to me. A single woman with a child dating other single(mostly) women with children is still completely gay. I don't see how it's "transphobic" at all.

It doesn't make sense because at no point was anyone disputing the existence of lesbians.

robomagon の投稿を引用：

And changing someones gender always changes their sexual orientation, because that's linked to both the person's gender and the gender they're attracted to.

No, it doesn't. That's a point trans people have been attempting to make for decades now.

robomagon の投稿を引用：

I really hate to burst your bubble here, but this game's target audience, is a combination of youtubers, gay men, and young to middle-aged women.

I, in fact, agree with this point. Based off the creators' interviews, the target audience was not gay men. The only reason the game got made was because it was an inside joke made at Disney World that allowed them to attempt to subvert dating sims. The only reason it is based around male homosexuality is because that is the most subversive form of sexuality they could think of. All of that trickles down into all the various problem elements of the game (such as its deeply moralizing posturing).

However, as problematic and disappointing as it is as a piece of media, we still have to consider that it is a game focused on male homosexuality (as exploitative or dismissive as it might be). And therefor contextualize it as one of the tiny, tiny handful of video games about male homosexuality.

robomagon の投稿を引用：

And no, going "what is if was a game made for heterosexuals?" is not in poor taste at all.

Yeah, it is. If your reaction to gay male sexuality is to try to make it straight, then it is only marginally better than disgust.

robomagon の投稿を引用：

Genderbent art of straight characters is very common.

Just because it is common does not mean it is good. And good genderbent art is supposed to illuminate the ways in which the origional works treat gender. Hence why Disney is a frequent target. Or, in the realm of video games, there is this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMfggshW7bg

Where Ryu from Street Fighter is swapped in for characters R. Mika and Laura, which rather excellently dissects the ways in which making someone intentionally sexy is different from falling ass backwards into a character design that some people think is sexy.

The only real illumination possible with genderbending gay male sexuality is showing how quickly people will attempt to erase gay male sexuality.

robomagon の投稿を引用：

As is homosexual fanfiction of heterosexual fictional characters and real life celebrities. No one throws a huge fit over it.

Well that's just wrong. Many, many real life celebrities do not like it. And let's not even get into Sherlock and fan fiction. There is a reason fan fiction has such a negative reputation.

The original fan fiction, going back to Star Trek here, were about textualizing subtext or exploring ideas that were implicit in the text, but under explored.

The idea of women as sexualized and romantically desirable is hardly an under explored idea.

[?????]

The overwhelming mental butthurt here. Delicious.

[Belial]

robomagon,

"And changing someones gender always changes their sexual orientation, because that's linked to both the person's gender and the gender they're attracted to."

Nope. There is bi/pan etc. Nothing changes.