So if Damien is trans...

[Black Waltz 0]

... do you think Lucien is his biological kid, or was he adopted?

I'm leaning toward biological because there's some family resemblance, but what do you guys think?

[xoteajay]

It's possible he became trans after his son was born. Or kept his female reproductive organs and gave birth to him that way. Or he was adopted. I didn't realize he was trans but that is so cool

[Xritsken]

willsolaceyall eredeti hozzászólása:

i like to think lucien is his biological son! also i apologize to every other trans person like myself that had to read that transphobic garbage posted by cy right there. thats nasty. thankfully, damien is canonically trans in-game and confirmed by the devs, so uhhhhh i'll be sitting here drinking cis tears! <3

Thats rather harsh and as a transgendered person myself I am a little ashamed to read it. The guy didn't say anything nasty or cruel he just stated an opinion. Reacting in such a way as that when he was simply stating an opinion makes you no better than those who ♥♥♥♥ on Transgendered people for being "different".

Whether he was wrong because he wasn't informed or not is of no consequence, the point is that he wasn't being hateful. Ignorance of a subject, or misinformation on a subject does not hate make.

[AfterWorld]

Beedubz eredeti hozzászólása:

... do you think Lucien is his biological kid, or was he adopted?

I'm leaning toward biological because there's some family resemblance, but what do you guys think?

I think he is trans, because in the 2nd date with damien lucien mentions a binder that damien wears, they don't ever say for sure but I think it is inplied

[Belial]

meow_lucipurr eredeti hozzászólása:

It's possible he became trans after his son was born. Or kept his female reproductive organs and gave birth to him that way. Or he was adopted. I didn't realize he was trans but that is so cool

You don't become trans. You just are, regardless of how you transition or not.

Xritsken, an "opinion" based on his delusions and ignorance, against facts confirmed already by devs? Yea, sure... So should his opinion be valid then? It was transphobic.

[i miss her]

Belial eredeti hozzászólása:

meow_lucipurr eredeti hozzászólása:

It's possible he became trans after his son was born. Or kept his female reproductive organs and gave birth to him that way. Or he was adopted. I didn't realize he was trans but that is so cool

You don't become trans. You just are, regardless of how you transition or not.

Xritsken, an "opinion" based on his delusions and ignorance, against facts confirmed already by devs? Yea, sure... So should his opinion be valid then? It was transphobic.

i think lucipurr meant damien began his transition after having lucien

[Karma The Veezard]

Hello! Transguy here! So I can't speak for every transguy or transperson out there, but I wouldn't want to biologically have kids. I think that would bring my dysphoria to an all time max because you can't really hide that you were born female if you have a child inside you. That being said, as for Daimen I really don't know. He wears a binder (Yes he does say this at some point) so it would mean that he isn't comfortable being seen as female and wants to pass (also for those who don't know what a binder is, it basically compresses your boobs so it looks flat). I think though Lucien acts a lot like his father in his goth style and such, he was not born from Daimen. If you want, I do have more reasons as to say why Daimen would not have given birth to his son biologically, I just don't know if you care to read a huge text wall or not. So thanks for reading my opinion, I do not speak for all transpeople, and yes transguys are real guys.

[Karma The Veezard]

MumuDesuyo eredeti hozzászólása:

Been wondering about this myself too
And while Cy's comment does seem a bit harsh, there is some truth in it
Damiens sprite is very male looking in the sense that he looks biological male such as the adams apple
I dont know what you can do yourself to look male, without any medical aid and nor do I know how what testerone injections wouldve changed about him since its different from person to person
- Or getting surgery, I don't know whats available to help one out, so perhaps it could all be explained
-- Also if he did get sugeries, to what extent then? Like, what does he has between his legs?

Other things Ive noticed is that he says 'when I was a young boy', which makes me wonder, is that how FTM trans people consider themselves when thinking back to that time?
Because Id personally think itd be 'what when I was a young girl', unless he became trans at a very young age, then I guess not
Tho he couldve also just simply said 'When I was younger' to avoid confusion

Hey! So I do know quite a bit about this stuff from research as I am a transguy and have looked a lot into transitioning and the such.

So I would like to start off because everyone is wondering about the adams apple, by saying yes, taking testosterone otherwise known as "T" will get you an adams apple. It doesn't matter your age or anything, you can still develop at one that is visible. Also almost everything else that noticeably makes a person seem masculine, aside from not having breasts or a penis, does come from taking T. That includes but is not limited to a deeper voice, fat redistribution from face and thighs to stomach, some breast reduction, facial hair growth, body hair growth, a greater ability to gain muscle, hair loss on head, growth down "there", and more. These changes do not happen straight away when taking T and can take several years to happen, and some may not occur at all such as facial hair growth

As for surgeries I believe he did not have any. Though I do not know about whatever is in his pants, I can confirm that he hasn't had top surgery, which is the surgery to remove breasts. I know this because in game he mentions wearing a binder, which is a item of clothing made to compress breasts to look more masculine

As for the 'when I was a young boy' thing, it does depend on the person, but personally when I mention my past I would refer to being a boy. Since a transperson was always the gender they are now, they just may not have biologically showed it. As well he may have known he was a boy from a young age, not all transpeople do, but they can. Also it is a privacy thing because many people out there are not as open to transpeople so going around saying you used to be a girl can be DANGEROUS and often embarrassing.

I am willing to answer any more questions about being trans that you may have. I can't speak for all transpeople on their opinions, these are just mine. However questions about transitioning I can answer truthfully. Also I would not ask some of these questions to a transperson in real life, such as if they had "the surgery", I feel comfortable answering these because he is a fictional character. I just would like to note that yes all transmen are men, whether they have transitioned or not. Thank you for taking your time out to read this.

[Polite Society]

I like to think that he is his biological son, Tmen can have kiddos. There was a very famous fella who gave birth to his husband's son not too long ago actually :)
I'd never say "when I was a young girl" @_@; that's uh yeah dangerous. But don't forget it's an MCR joke they are making because bad puns - I about died laughing though... (When I was a young boy -- Did your father take you into the city... To see a marching band?)

[Sir-Bear]

Yurio eredeti hozzászólása:

Hello! Transguy here! So I can't speak for every transguy or transperson out there, but I wouldn't want to biologically have kids. I think that would bring my dysphoria to an all time max because you can't really hide that you were born female if you have a child inside you. That being said, as for Daimen I really don't know. He wears a binder (Yes he does say this at some point) so it would mean that he isn't comfortable being seen as female and wants to pass (also for those who don't know what a binder is, it basically compresses your boobs so it looks flat). I think though Lucien acts a lot like his father in his goth style and such, he was not born from Daimen. If you want, I do have more reasons as to say why Daimen would not have given birth to his son biologically, I just don't know if you care to read a huge text wall or not. So thanks for reading my opinion, I do not speak for all transpeople, and yes transguys are real guys.

I hope to become pregnant and have biological kiddos one day. I bind and my chest dysphoria is incredibly bad, but that doesn't change my plans. I'm not trying to argue with you, and you do say there are trans men like me out there. Just giving my perspective here too. I hope that's ok?

[Karma The Veezard]

Scmnz eredeti hozzászólása:

Yurio eredeti hozzászólása:

Hello! Transguy here! So I can't speak for every transguy or transperson out there, but I wouldn't want to biologically have kids. I think that would bring my dysphoria to an all time max because you can't really hide that you were born female if you have a child inside you. That being said, as for Daimen I really don't know. He wears a binder (Yes he does say this at some point) so it would mean that he isn't comfortable being seen as female and wants to pass (also for those who don't know what a binder is, it basically compresses your boobs so it looks flat). I think though Lucien acts a lot like his father in his goth style and such, he was not born from Daimen. If you want, I do have more reasons as to say why Daimen would not have given birth to his son biologically, I just don't know if you care to read a huge text wall or not. So thanks for reading my opinion, I do not speak for all transpeople, and yes transguys are real guys.

I hope to become pregnant and have biological kiddos one day. I bind and my chest dysphoria is incredibly bad, but that doesn't change my plans. I'm not trying to argue with you, and you do say there are trans men like me out there. Just giving my perspective here too. I hope that's ok?

Yeah sorry for the confusion, I didnt mean to say that they cant have kids if it came across like that, I am just saying I wont have kids and that it would be unlikely for a transguy to want to. That doesnt mean they shouldn't (though I would consult a doctor before hand if I am on T). Again I am not trying to speak for all transmen, this is just my perspective in a logical manner. Sorry again for the misconseption!

[noeinan]

I don't have the fortitude to read through and respond to all comments individually, but happy to see so many fellow trans players. Posting some educational information for cis folks who had questions earlier in the thread:

-Some trans folks with uteruses do get pregnant and birth children. This can happen before any physical transition, or after, as long as they still have a uterus and ovaries. You can get pregnant while on Testosterone, although long term use tends to have a negative impact on fertility. Some folks who end up wanting to carrying children will stop hormones for the duration of conception, pregnancy, and breast feeding for that purpose.

Some trans people do not physically transition at all, and only transition socially. (Some people are not able to physically transition because of health issues, many folks can't afford physical transition, or don't have a doctor in their area who can provide that care, and some don't want to for a variety of reasons as well.) Although this hasnt come up, it's a good extra piece of information-- there isn't only one surgery that either trans men, trans women, or non-binary trans folks get. What surgeries, hormone treatments, and physical alterations in general that people get is highly individual.

-Cis men aren't the only ones with pronounced adam's apples. I am trans and do not have a pronounced adam's apple. My younger sister is a cis woman and has a very pronounced adam's apple. My cis male partner does not have a very pronounced adam's apple. If you look at celebrities, I am sure you will be able to see lots of men without pronounced adam's apples (especially those with more fat) and some women with them.

-Most trans people do not ever refer to themselves as the gender they were assigned at birth. The names we were given at birth are often referred to as "dead names", a title that carries a lot of weight because it is considered a grave offense to call a trans person by that name. Many trans people go to great lengths so that people in their lives never learn their dead name.

Although some folks use different terminology, it's generally understood that we have always been trans, and we have always been our true gender (the one that is deeply connected to our identity, not the one forced on us) and when thinking back to when other people saw us differently, we don't think "when I was a girl" or "when I was a boy" but "when I was forced to pretend I was a girl/boy" or "before I knew I was a girl/boy".

It's generally good practice to always refer to a trans person as the gender that they live by, and want other people to refer to themselves. If you're unsure about what to call a trans person, always call them by their current name and gender pronouns even when talking about before they came out. You can also always ask how they want you to talk about them, though it's best to ask when you and them are alone so that you don't accidentally out them in mixed company.

If a trans person passes as cis, it can put them at risk of violence if you tell other people they are trans without their permission. This is especially true for trans women.

Going back to the original topic, whether Damien gave birth to his son... I'd say it could go either way? They do look very similar, but also a lot of both of their looks is in the way that they dress and carry themselves.

[Icemelts]

I was really wondering this too, though I doubt we'll ever get confirmation on this one way or another... I would assume he was adopted if they didn't look so much alike!

Personally, I get the impression that Damien started living the way he wanted to pretty late in to his life- the goth thing in particular, but also possibly the transitioning thing.
I think the allusion to the binder may even be evidence to that. Like, I know not all trans men get top surgery, but it could also indicate he's still fairly early in to his transition.

[L.C.L.]

How about surrogacy? (if i spelled it correctly that is xD)

[Lil Puddin]

I think it's left open-ended, much like Amanda's birth. This way we can say Lucien is Damien's biological kid or not depending on what we feel like.