[spoiler] Strange thing in the cannon scene

[Uhumsk]

So, In the memory where Wolff the gunner and George Finley perishes due to the beast pulling at the lit cannon, I can't highlight Finley's body, nor can I discern it. The only way to tell that Finley died is that the book portrays him below Wolff as having been killed. I took screenshots:

This is the death of Abraham Akbar, we see that Finley and Wolff are being held right at the muzzle of the cannon:
https://i.imgur.com/SkcNRxi.png

Here we see the firing. The headless body on the left is Wolff, which can somehow be linked to the portrait in the sketch even though he has no head. Gamily enough, you can't do the same to crewmen sleeping in their hammocks if their faces are covered, even though the book somehow knows that they were present in the scene. But I digress.
https://i.imgur.com/d7iqJsC.png
Thing is, I can't discern Finley's body at all in this scene. It is not visible outside the ship, nor in the corner behind Wolff. Have I overlooked something?

Another little thing: Roderick Andersen was crushed by a loose cannon slightly after the demise of Wolff, Finley and Ackbar, because we see the bodies of Wolff and Ackbar still around in his Andersen's death scene. Evidently, they disposed of the earlier bodies but left Andersen in place so that his actual bones are still in place in the present day. And nobody dealt with the corpse of the ship's steward either, even though there was a blood trail to follow.

[Lisbon Mapping]

Listen carefully to that scene's audio. After the cannon fires, you can hear a scream that seems like it's quite farther away than Wolff.

If you just want the answer, He was blasted out of the ship

[EckyThump]

Originally posted by Uhumsk:

Evidently, they disposed of the earlier bodies but left Andersen in place so that his actual bones are still in place in the present day. And nobody dealt with the corpse of the ship's steward either, even though there was a blood trail to follow.

I figure there was enough time between Soldiers of the Sea and The Doom to clean up and dispose of bodies. Yeah, the poor Ship's Steward was left where he died in that small corridor, I just imagine he was overlooked, they didn't know he was there, even with the blood trail to follow.

As for people who died during The Doom, if their bodies didn't end up in the sea one way or another (fell off the rigging, blown outside by the cannon), they were just left where they lay. The Bargain, the Escape, and The End followed on very quickly from there. Everyone was too busy considering a mutiny or escaping, to try scraping Wolff off the floor/lift a cannon off Roderick, etc.

[Uhumsk]

They did scrape Wolff off the floor and presumably buried him at sea, because there are no physical remains left, only the "ghost" corpse from the memory. They also disposed of Akbar's body that was also stuck underneath a cannon, so it doesn't make sense that they left the corpse of Roderick in place.

[Uhumsk]

And another thing with physical remains: In IX part 4, Olaus Wiater suggests mutiny. He stabs Thomas Lanke and is killed by fourth mate John Davies. Henry Brennan in turn kills Davies. Lanke bleeds out in the midshipmen's cabin, and his bones are still there in the present day. Wiater and Davies are only present as ghost corpses, suggesting that their bodies were disposed of between Lanke dying and the final showdown with the captain in chapter X. There is no sensible reason for them leaving Lanke's remains in place.

[Foffle]

I get the feeling Lanke was left in place because he wasn't a traitor. Perhaps, as a mark of respect, they left his corpse in his room, much like Abigal's was. But the two planning mutiny were thrown overboard as traitors.

Anderson, I'm less sure of. Perhaps Ackbar's corpse was easier to remove somehow, less stuck under the cannon? Or they cleaned up most of the corpses but ran out of time before Anderson.

Finley caused me such issues too. I wish even a tiny bit of him could be seen

[dukope]

The steward: they couldn't immediately move the cannon, so they left the body there intending to clean it up later. The midshipman: they were planning to take his body home.

[Uhumsk]

How much time passed between the Captain's suicide and the ship reaching Falmouth? Based on the corpses being reduced to dry bones, it must have taken at least several weeks, if not months. You'd also expect them to be moved around by the rocking of the ship instead of lying exactly where they fell (Hoscut should be scattered around the deck or maybe carried off by birds, while Brennan and Walker should probably be jumbled together in the cabin), but I'll allow that for gameplay's sake.

[EckyThump]

Good point about some of the missing bodies from The Doom, I should have double checked.

The Obra Dinn was lost at sea in 1803 and the game is set in 1807, so it was adrift for four years.

[WarningTrack]

I had the same issue. We went back and forth on this. Eventually I decided there was no evidence of a body, so he must've been knocked or pulled into the water, and drowned. It took awhile to settle on (and it was largely trial and error at that point) the idea that he was blasted by the cannon, but in a way that didn't leave a body.

[Vahnkiljoy]

I honestly can't grasp HOW he got blown out of the ship by the cannon, this one just frustrates me since he is there one scene and gone the second with the hole in the ship being the same so I'm not sure HOW he got blown out at that angle since the cannon was pointed more into the ship than out.

Some of the crew members I just can't fathom HOW to go about identifying them, I'm down to the last 9 and I gotta say, it went from difficult and fun to just I want it over because nothing seems to want to make sense. In The Doom 7 the guys being thrown from the dingy did they drown or fall o does it matter with that seeing as it counted as drowning for one that I noticed was actually falling from rigging but I digress.

[Foffle]

My best guess with canon guy is that he tried to jump out of the way of the blast, out of the hole, but did so just a little too late, got clipped by the blast and ended up flying out of the ship, possibly already dead from the impact. But it certainly is one of the most confusing deaths, and one I basically just brute forced.

As for the identification have you checked the hammock numbers in A Bitter Cold 1 and The Doom 2? These can help you place a few and know who was alive at the last points You can also check the items they keep near their hammocks, as they may carry these with them.
Lastly, keep in mind that similar groups tend to spend time with each other, as do certain nationalities, since they probably speak the same language. This can help. Look at the sketch and also at people when times were a bit calmer, see if you can work out their jobs too.

[The Renderer]

Originally posted by Vahnkiljoy:

I honestly can't grasp HOW he got blown out of the ship by the cannon, this one just frustrates me since he is there one scene and gone the second with the hole in the ship being the same so I'm not sure HOW he got blown out at that angle since the cannon was pointed more into the ship than out.

Yep, completely agree. The only time in the game I thought it was some kind of weird bug or programming error (forgetting to put the guy there or similar). The whole thing makes no sense at all.

[Uhumsk]

If only you could see Finley's body falling outside the gunport (like you can find Omid Gul falling into the sea in a different memory), then it would actually make sense. As it stands you don't actually have evidence that the cannon blast killed him - he could just as easily have been pulled out the gunport by a tentacle.

[WarningTrack]

Pulled out by the tentacle was my initial guess when I realized there was no trace of the body, yeah.

[Foffle]

After looking really. Really. Really hard at the scene, I found a splatter of blood, heading out of the window, that isn't in line or at the right angle to be part of Wolff's body splatter. As far as I can tell, this is the only hint within that scene that Finley went out window, other than his lack of presence.

I too thought the tentacle had grabbed him for most of the time. And also had the wrong name on him, which didn't help.

https://i.imgur.com/Xb5pl3u.png
Here is a picture of the blood flying out the window. If you find it, you'll see it doesn't line up with the rest of the lovely blood. It could be Wolff's, but the rest of his body and splatter, minus his hat, is all going in one clear direction