Identifying Chinese topmen

[Bees?]

I finished the game, but I feel like the way I solved the Chinese topmen identifications was a bit brute force. I figured out which four people the Chinese topmen were, and how they died, but I couldn't figure out what the "right" way to distinguish them was, and I ended up just shuffling names around until they stuck.

What clues did I miss that would let me pinpoint exactly who the individual Chinese topman were?

[DisplayGFX]

Id say the same goes for the english passengers. I know their fate, but I have no idea of how to tell them apart

[Lim-Dul]

Originally posted by Bees?:

I finished the game, but I feel like the way I solved the Chinese topmen identifications was a bit brute force. I figured out which four people the Chinese topmen were, and how they died, but I couldn't figure out what the "right" way to distinguish them was, and I ended up just shuffling names around until they stuck.

What clues did I miss that would let me pinpoint exactly who the individual Chinese topman were?

I was given a hint by Lucas, the man himself, a couple of hours ago. It's utterly bonkers that identifying them is so obvious and yet so easy to miss.

Hint 1, directly from Lucas:

Look for hints in chapter II scene 1

Hint 2, spelling it out bluntly:

A lot of people are sleeping in their hammocks in this scene, including the Chinese topmen and Indian seamen. The numbers on the hammocks correspond directly to their crew log entries. You cannot see the faces of the Chinese topmen but... THEIR LEGS STICKING OUT! They are very distinctive and should get you there. I made screenshots showing the the number and corresponding leg and went e.g. to the scene in the rigging (electrocution), where you can see a few legs. And so on.

This is also how you identify e.g. Timothy Butement since he has his arm with a tattoo sticking out.

[Bees?]

For the two Englishwomen, the way I distinguished them was to assign the younger looking one (who is positioned hiding behind the older one in their scenes) the name that started with "Miss"

[Bees?]

Originally posted by Lim-Dul:

Originally posted by Bees?:

I finished the game, but I feel like the way I solved the Chinese topmen identifications was a bit brute force. I figured out which four people the Chinese topmen were, and how they died, but I couldn't figure out what the "right" way to distinguish them was, and I ended up just shuffling names around until they stuck.

What clues did I miss that would let me pinpoint exactly who the individual Chinese topman were?

I was given a hint by Lucas, the man himself, a couple of hours ago. It's utterly bonkers that identifying them is so obvious and yet so easy to miss.

Hint 1, directly from Lucas:

Look for hints in chapter II scene 1

Hint 2, spelling it out bluntly:

A lot of people are sleeping in their hammocks in this scene, including the Chinese topmen and Indian seamen. The numbers on the hammocks correspond directly to their crew log entries. You cannot see the faces of the Chinese topmen but... THEIR LEGS STICKING OUT! They are very distinctive and should get you there. I made screenshots showing the the number and corresponding leg and went e.g. to the scene in the rigging (electrocution), where you can see a few legs. And so on.

This is also how you identify e.g. Timothy Butement since he has his arm with a tattoo sticking out.

Oh, lol, I figured out the Timothy tattoo clue, but I had no idea the legs were significant, I honestly thought they all looked the same, but I probably didn't look close enough.

[Lim-Dul]

Originally posted by Bees?:

For the two Englishwomen, the way I distinguished them was to assign the younger looking one (who is positioned hiding behind the older one in their scenes) the name that started with "Miss"

That's funny. I struggled with the identification until my girlfriend started helping me out and she immediately correctly identified the two women.

Not only based on their age (there is the scene in The Doom where you can see the "Miss" is younger) but because she said that one of them is dressed as someone who would be addressed "Miss" while the other one looks a bit lower class to her (So no Miss or Mrs).

[Lim-Dul]

Originally posted by Bees?:

Oh, lol, I figured out the Timothy tattoo clue, but I had no idea the legs were significant, I honestly thought they all looked the same, but I probably didn't look close enough.

Yeah, it so brilliantly devious! And one of the people there isn't even Chinese OR a topman so you have to get the final ones through the process of elimination.

Here are two of the screenshots I made - you really see the socks and boots are quite distinctive.

https://i.imgur.com/mecow4y.png
https://i.imgur.com/zIPzp2X.png

[Rolfitude]

For the women, the thing that stood out for me was One of them seems to be wearing a wedding ring

[Silverust]

That's really funny


I got the leg thing for one of the chinese topmen (the one with really tattooed legs), but not for the other three. Turns out that for 41 Wei Lee, he has a meal in VII Doom Part 2 beside another man, and it looks like they're both about to go to bed. Wei Lee's hammock is clearly visible with his number. The guy who he's eating with is one of the Englishmen, but his hammock number isn't visible. If you go to another scene with the hammocks up you can figure out which one he's using, and by association, which Englishman he is.

I also managed to get one by incredible elimination. If you look at Bitter Cold Part 1, and list all of the people in the scene beside all the hammocks+people visible, you'll notice that there are four hammocks "In Scene" that count with tags you can't read. By elimination, I was able to piece together who those four hammocks belonged to, and that #44 was the last hammock number I didn't know (All the hammocks in the room go from 37 to 59 consecutively. If 44 wasn't there, that'd be too much of a coincidence). Then 44 was the last English topman for me, so that made it easy.

Anyways, I'm sure that's not how you were supposed to do it, but I'm just so happy that this is the kind of game where I could make that deduction and it was still valid.

[Pckables]

Originally posted by Silverust:

That's really funny



I also managed to get one by incredible elimination. If you look at Bitter Cold Part 1, and list all of the people in the scene beside all the hammocks+people visible, you'll notice that there are four hammocks "In Scene" that count with tags you can't read. By elimination, I was able to piece together who those four hammocks belonged to, and that #44 was the last hammock number I didn't know (All the hammocks in the room go from 37 to 59 consecutively. If 44 wasn't there, that'd be too much of a coincidence). Then 44 was the last English topman for me, so that made it easy.

Anyways, I'm sure that's not how you were supposed to do it, but I'm just so happy that this is the kind of game where I could make that deduction and it was still valid.

I had the exact same process, but used it to find #48 (Nathan Peters).

44 Can be found by process of elimination of other topmen seen in the rigging at the start of Chapter V. The scottish topman can be found by his tattoo in his hammock, and Nicholas had his name called out in Chapter V. The rest of the topmen are asian, so he's the only one left (provided you don't confuse Maba for an englishman.)

[Wisnoskij]

Originally posted by Lim-Dul:

A lot of people are sleeping in their hammocks in this scene, including the Chinese topmen and Indian seamen. The numbers on the hammocks correspond directly to their crew log entries. You cannot see the faces of the Chinese topmen but... THEIR LEGS STICKING OUT! They are very distinctive and should get you there. I made screenshots showing the the number and corresponding leg and went e.g. to the scene in the rigging (electrocution), where you can see a few legs. And so on.

This is also how you identify e.g. Timothy Butement since he has his arm with a tattoo sticking out.

This is just extremely disappointing. I would of been happier if the correct solution was just brute forcing it after you have the answer down to 2-4 possibilities. The solution being use an outside program (screenshot, alt tab, hope the user had two screens) so that you can tell 4 pairs of 10x10 pixel shoes apart in a scene 4 hours in the future is horrible. Not so much that it it too hard, I think that is a fair challenge, but that the solution is outside the game. The game was not meta until this challenge, it make no sense for it to suddenly become meta.

[cz]

Originally posted by Wisnoskij:

Originally posted by Lim-Dul:

A lot of people are sleeping in their hammocks in this scene, including the Chinese topmen and Indian seamen. The numbers on the hammocks correspond directly to their crew log entries. You cannot see the faces of the Chinese topmen but... THEIR LEGS STICKING OUT! They are very distinctive and should get you there. I made screenshots showing the the number and corresponding leg and went e.g. to the scene in the rigging (electrocution), where you can see a few legs. And so on.

This is also how you identify e.g. Timothy Butement since he has his arm with a tattoo sticking out.

This is just extremely disappointing. I would of been happier if the correct solution was just brute forcing it after you have the answer down to 2-4 possibilities. The solution being use an outside program (screenshot, alt tab, hope the user had two screens) so that you can tell 4 pairs of 10x10 pixel shoes apart in a scene 4 hours in the future is horrible. Not so much that it it too hard, I think that is a fair challenge, but that the solution is outside the game. The game was not meta until this challenge, it make no sense for it to suddenly become meta.

Not sure what you're saying here. By no means do you have to use any sort of "outside program"--I noticed the difference among the legs all on my own without any external help at all. They really are very distinctive: One guy has stripey stockings (going all the way up his calves, not just his feet), one guy has those black-and-white Chinese style shoes, looking kind of like loafers.

[Fupsy]

Originally posted by Wisnoskij:

Originally posted by Lim-Dul:

A lot of people are sleeping in their hammocks in this scene, including the Chinese topmen and Indian seamen. The numbers on the hammocks correspond directly to their crew log entries. You cannot see the faces of the Chinese topmen but... THEIR LEGS STICKING OUT! They are very distinctive and should get you there. I made screenshots showing the the number and corresponding leg and went e.g. to the scene in the rigging (electrocution), where you can see a few legs. And so on.

This is also how you identify e.g. Timothy Butement since he has his arm with a tattoo sticking out.

This is just extremely disappointing. I would of been happier if the correct solution was just brute forcing it after you have the answer down to 2-4 possibilities. The solution being use an outside program (screenshot, alt tab, hope the user had two screens) so that you can tell 4 pairs of 10x10 pixel shoes apart in a scene 4 hours in the future is horrible. Not so much that it it too hard, I think that is a fair challenge, but that the solution is outside the game. The game was not meta until this challenge, it make no sense for it to suddenly become meta.

I didn't had to use an outside "program". I just learnd which number belonged to whos socks and went right to the scene with the lightning.

[Pckables]

Also note that you technically only need to distinguish two via their shoes, as Wei Lee is intended to be found in Edward Spratt's death (Doom part 2), where Lee is sitting at a table next to his hammock.

[Calorie Mate]

Figuring the legs thing out was the high point of the playthrough for me.

By that time you just know that there's something you must've missed, and hunting it down was a lot of fun.

[Ancalagon]

One of the women is also wearing a ring that you can see in the scene where the Captain's wife gets octopussed in the head. It's been noted that "Miss" generally refers to unmarried women, and this matches the ringbearer.