Why does the store page only call Madotsuki 'they'?

[Laina]

This has really allowed my imagination to wander. Our pigtailed, skirted protagonist is only referred to as 'they' on the store page. What's wrong with calling Madotsuki a 'her'?

[bleep]

引用自 The Unstable Anarchy of ヤギ：

引用自 bleep：

Nonbinary refers to people who don't identify with any specific subset of social norms which imply a gender. Everything you said would quality as nonbinary. It's not an artsy made up internet word. It's an apt term to describe Mado's gender identity, as we both agree there is nothing pointing her to any specific gender.

Oh I see, you seperate gender, gender identity and sex for some reason.
There is no evidence that Mado identifies as nonbinary, her physical sex is ambiguious and her gender falls under the same bucket as her gender identity.
Mado keeps it ambiguious, not nonbinary. Nonbinary implies that she falls somewhere in-between or outside of gender norms, which has no solid grounding, especially in her dreams. It is equally as likely that she identifies as female but is confused about her sexuality, which would also have similar connitations with her dreams. (She can enter both bathrooms but thinks of herself as a pervert for entering the male), or other similar theories.
It would be fairer to say she is intentionally ambigious, not nonbinary.

If you're issue is just with semantics then that's fair enough. I agree with you. I just don't see an issue with using the term nonbinary.

I'm also not implying that she is exclusively nonbinary. As I originally stated I see her as a famale. But as I also stated she is, before anything else, an avatar for people to project whatever they want on. I personally think it's the entire point of the game.

But there is enough, as you say, ambiguity for someone to believe that she doesn't identify with any gender. However it would be wrong of them to say that there's absolutely no way she identifies as male/female, just as it would be wrong for someone to say there's no way she doesn't identify as nonbinary.

[The Unstable Anarchy of ヤギ]

引用自 bleep：

引用自 The Unstable Anarchy of ヤギ：

Oh I see, you seperate gender, gender identity and sex for some reason.
There is no evidence that Mado identifies as nonbinary, her physical sex is ambiguious and her gender falls under the same bucket as her gender identity.
Mado keeps it ambiguious, not nonbinary. Nonbinary implies that she falls somewhere in-between or outside of gender norms, which has no solid grounding, especially in her dreams. It is equally as likely that she identifies as female but is confused about her sexuality, which would also have similar connitations with her dreams. (She can enter both bathrooms but thinks of herself as a pervert for entering the male), or other similar theories.
It would be fairer to say she is intentionally ambigious, not nonbinary.

If you're issue is just with semantics then that's fair enough. I agree with you. I just don't see an issue with using the term nonbinary.

I'm also not implying that she is exclusively nonbinary. As I originally stated I see her as a famale. But as I also stated she is, before anything else, an avatar for people to project whatever they want on. I personally think it's the entire point of the game.

But there is enough, as you say, ambiguity for someone to believe that she doesn't identify with any gender. However it would be wrong of them to say that there's absolutely no way she identifies as male/female, just as it would be wrong for someone to say there's no way she doesn't identify as nonbinary.

Nonbinary implies not binary, as in not male or female. It's not a statement for "they can be anything" it means the identify as not male and not female. Being nonbinary is a binary choice. If you don't fall under male or female you're nonbinary, if you do you are binary.
I have more problems than that with the whole "Mado is nonbinary" theory but my point here is that even in context of the theory saying that Mado is nonbinary instead of ambigious (possibly intentionally) is wrong.

[Ducjnwxu]

In japanese culture, names are sometimes imbued with great meanings. The name 窓付き (Mado-tsuki) is comprised of two parts, 窓 (Mado), which can be translated to english as "Window", and 付き (tsuki), which can be a noun or verb, being "with" or "apperance" in english. Madotsuki is not a person, rather they are a reflection of the character, a self insert. There's no need to add any gender politics into this argument, as Madotsuki is, essentially, you. This is why they can use both bathrooms.

[Drac8itch__]

ive been in this fandom since 2011 Mado has been a girl with us -_-

[Ducjnwxu]

引用自 AminoAcid1098：

ive been in this fandom since 2011 Mado has been a girl with us -_-

Fans have definitely given the sex of female to Mado.

[Laina]

引用自 Veldstadt：

引用自 AminoAcid1098：

ive been in this fandom since 2011 Mado has been a girl with us -_-

Fans have definitely given the sex of female to Mado.

Yes, and the transgender theory has existed since around 2009. It's all the weird womb imagery and the discomforting phallic things. There hasn't been much debate that she is a 'she', but there has been plenty of debate over the gender imagery in the game.

[Laina]

Recently, the transgender theories have been actively attacked and taken down on the Wikia page. That's probably why you haven't seen them. They've been purged by bigots.

[Vampire Hunter D]

引用自 Chippy：

Recently, the transgender theories have been actively attacked and taken down on the Wikia page. That's probably why you haven't seen them. They've been purged by bigots.

A theory based mostly off the ability to walk into either sex's bathroom. You can do that in plenty of games with non-transgender characters, why would Yume Nikki be any different?

[Laina]

引用自 Tuxxomoly：

引用自 Chippy：

Recently, the transgender theories have been actively attacked and taken down on the Wikia page. That's probably why you haven't seen them. They've been purged by bigots.

A theory based mostly off the ability to walk into either sex's bathroom. You can do that in plenty of games with non-transgender characters, why would Yume Nikki be any different?

You're wrong. It involved all the phalluses, bloated abdomens and blood in the game. It even went as far to identify masculinity in vague instances.

[Laina]

Also, haven't you heard that any attention is good attention? Please keep discussing this thread with me. I don't care if it's positive or negative comments. The more something is challenged, the more evidence is dug up. We're creating Yume Nikki history all over again.

[Vampire Hunter D]

引用自 Chippy：

You're wrong. It involved all the phalluses, bloated abdomens and blood in the game. It even went as far to identify masculinity in vague instances.

Anything is a phallus if you squint at it hard enough and there's lots of games featuring bloated abdomens and blood for horrific effect. This sounds like more like a sexuality-obsessed community projecting their own fears onto a game full of vague imagery, like an inkblot test.

[Ducjnwxu]

引用自 Chippy：

引用自 Tuxxomoly：

A theory based mostly off the ability to walk into either sex's bathroom. You can do that in plenty of games with non-transgender characters, why would Yume Nikki be any different?

You're wrong. It involved all the phalluses, bloated abdomens and blood in the game. It even went as far to identify masculinity in vague instances.

Blood is blood. Rod shapes are rod shapes. Bloated abdomens could mean pregnancy, but that is against transgenderism as transgender people cannot birth. It seems like a theory with no grain. Even still, theories are irrelevant as the game has no story.

This is confirmed by the original creator, and I have links to prove it, here.[translate.googleusercontent.com]

[Laina]

引用自 Veldstadt：

引用自 Chippy：

You're wrong. It involved all the phalluses, bloated abdomens and blood in the game. It even went as far to identify masculinity in vague instances.

Blood is blood. Rod shapes are rod shapes. Bloated abdomens could mean pregnancy, but that is against transgenderism as transgender people cannot birth. It seems like a theory with no grain. Even still, theories are irrelevant as the game has no story.

This is confirmed by the original creator, and I have links to prove it, here.[translate.googleusercontent.com]

Womb. Envy. The desire to have children when there is no ability. Also, you don't realize what you set yourself up for by mentioning that very thing. Yes, it's a game with not implicit meaning. It's a walking game. Madotsuki's gender is only implied by the skirt and pigtails. They could be anything. Their name could be anything. Madotsuki could just be words used as filler because an RPG Maker characters needs a name. It sounds cooler than No-Name or Nanashi (translation: no name). With only implied gender, nothing is set in stone. Just like the store page description, Madotsuki is just a they. They're barely a person. That leads us back to being as non-binary as Undertale's protagonist.

[Laina]

We can go full circle as many times as you want. I'll use your own evidence against you.

[Vampire Hunter D]

引用自 Chippy：

Madotsuki's gender is only implied by the skirt and pigtails. They could be anything.

False: Madotsuki's proportions (specifically her shoulders and hips) are distinctly female.