Best Pit Boss?

[Patriot]

So we have 3 potential Pit Bosses. Jonas, Braxton, and Mercy.
I'm not fond of any of them, but I'm leaning more towards siding with Braxton. Can someone break down the pros and cons of each or at least why you like one boss over the other?

Thank you.

[Patriot]

Publicado originalmente por kirill-busidow:

Publicado originalmente por Patriot:

So we have 3 potential Pit Bosses. Jonas, Braxton, and Mercy.
I'm not fond of any of them, but I'm leaning more towards siding with Braxton. Can someone break down the pros and cons of each or at least why you like one boss over the other?

Thank you.

Jonas is pro-Brotherhood.
Braxton is pro-Protectors.
Mercy is pro-Christian Church.

Brotherhood is reason why Mutiny happened, they were behind it, which led to partial destruction of Ship and many troubles for common people.
Protectors is expansionist highly-agressive military organisation. Example: something like Protectorate, which is military branch of US, in Underrail game. Nothing good will come out of it.
Chuch is the only one that do care about common, hard-working people well-being. Therefore supporting Mercy looks like best choice if you look at interest of majority of Pit citizens.

I appreciate the response.

[Patriot]

Every faction of course has its flaws. The church shuns the mutants, the protectors are a little too militant, and the brotherhood is extremely militant just wanting to use that might to make right. If the church would be more accepting towards mutants and worked with the protectors I'd say that'd be an ideal combo. Make them a little less militant while still enforcing order on this EXTREMELY dangerous journey through space. Debating about how much freedom is nice and all, but you're flying in a large chunk of metal hopefully going to the originally designated planet. If you want to survive maybe work together a little better before you destroy your entire "world" with all this nonsense.

[Marat]

Jonas isn't pro-Brotherhood. In fact he specifically hired Braxton and his Regulators to repeal a Brotherhood attack that aimed to take control of the Pit. Jonas is independence minded, though he can be pushed into Brotherhood's hands by player's action.

Brotherhood is a political organism that emerged as a successor to original mutineers, not exactly having caused it.

And did the idea that Church cares for common people come from? Nothing implied it as far as I know.

[khargal]

Ugh, Kiril again.
Jonas is pro-independent Pit, status quo person who seeks it to stay a place of anarchy where he is a king
Braxton is an ex-church pro-Protector, who wants to make Pit a police state, where everyone follows his laws
Mercy is a pro church, who tries to seek something inbetween those two radicals, also, her rule is the least stable it seems.

Now, if we talk about factions, it is easy to notice that only hardliners among Protectors and Brotherhood still want this war. The rest are more then satisfied with a peace at least until situation with a ship is cleared. And Church is the one that all in for instigating this conflict further to reap the spoils.

[Cununculus]

It is not only the Pit Boss, the stability of the Pit also depends on who is there with them.

Mercy with Mother is going to be more radical than without.

Jonas with support from Nazar might give more stabillity and security (don't know yet).

And Vince hinted about a new leader within the Outskirts..

Each Boss can allign with each faction.
All can get the proposal from Hanson, or the offer of subjugation by Sheffield.
Only the Church doesn't accept all, yet.

So. Best Pit Boss?
Mercy without Mother might be ok.

Jonas could do with a little more law and order, so maybe nice with Nazar.

Braxton...
Not sure how he is going to react to either Nazar or Mother.
So not sure about him.


Edited: changed awesome into law

[khargal]

Publicado originalmente por Cununculus:

It is not only the Pit Boss, the stability of the Pit also depends on who is there with them.
Braxton...
Not sure how he is going to react to either Nazar or Mother.
So not sure about him.

Nazar got a bounty by protectors so it is safe to ignore him on Braxton route

[Cununculus]

Publicado originalmente por khargal:

Publicado originalmente por Cununculus:

It is not only the Pit Boss, the stability of the Pit also depends on who is there with them.
Braxton...
Not sure how he is going to react to either Nazar or Mother.
So not sure about him.

Nazar got a bounty by protectors so it is safe to ignore him on Braxton route

No one is going to ignore an armed band setting up shop in the Outskirts. 😉

[Cununculus]

Publicado originalmente por EvilBean:

Braxton sends you Jonas hoping Jonas will put a bullet in your skull so he has an excuse to wipe him out. Regardless of how he does as a leader, you have to go why am I personally dealing this chuckle **** whose very first interaction with me is to stab me in the back.

This is the exact same thing he does with Jonas' mercenaries which he paid off.

The said Braxton is the best simply because you get more exp by choosing his route and the stealth exp from assassinating Mercy is more useful than turning on Braxton later.

Braxton is no saint, but the main character isn´t necesarilly one either.
You can even say you don´t like his methods, but still declare you agree with his ultimate goal.

If you go to Jonas you can choose to say you´ve come to warn him and say Braxton is going the wrong way of being a Major of the town. After that he asks your help and you can answer you prefer to sit this one out.

No threats whatsoever. He even asks you to come back if you change your mind.

Of course this means you were lying, but that is small beer in comparison to the mayhem you are helping to unleash upon the Pit.

[khargal]

Publicado originalmente por EvilBean:

Braxton sends you Jonas hoping Jonas will put a bullet in your skull so he has an excuse to wipe him out.

Thats what Jonas claims.

[khargal]

Publicado originalmente por kirill-busidow:

Publicado originalmente por khargal:

Thats what Jonas claims.

Is he telling truth?

exactly

[khargal]

Publicado originalmente por EvilBean:

Publicado originalmente por khargal:

exactly

Braxton literally tells you he paid Jonas' thugs to start a fight at Abe's so he get ride of Jonas, then he tries to get you, a random thug, to pick a fight with Jonas. Even if Jonas in his mind is lying to you, it doesn't take a genius to see what Braxton's motivations are in sending you to pick a fight with Jonas.

Its a Xanatos gambit, Jonas kills ya? He gets a casus belli to proceed. Jonas leaves ya alive? Well, he starts to act and ya get to kill his right hand. Either way, Braxton wins.

Now, I should also quote Jed. "Brotherhood did nothing other two would hesitate to do"
The same. Braxton did nothing Mercy or Jonas won't do

[khargal]

Publicado originalmente por EvilBean:

I don't agree with that because Jonas is a big freaking idiot, and Mercy so passive during the events I doubt she would do anything either. I don't mean to say they aren't equally ruthless, but they don't have the right mentality for it. Basically Jonas is a small time gang leader who doesn't have the right sort of ambitions to climb the ladder further and Mercy from what little we have seen of her is a natural second.

Braxton obviously more ambitious and less passive than the other two.

Jonas is not a passive warlord. He tried to negotiate deal with a Church, and as ya can see, they got an embassy unlike other two factions. Regulators keep Brotherhood in check and so are the Protectors. status quo as it was, benefitted Jonas greatly, and now with Braxton gone, he has to act quickly to deal with the situation. No need to act swift before.

Mercy, well... Jonas gave her a Camptown to rule over and while this is not the limit of her ambitions, she does think that under him she may get higher. Npw, under Braxton, she was convinced that Jonas is as good as dead, so Plan A no longer works. And Braxton won't need her after the coup, so she quickly makes a plan B.

My point is that situation as it was benefitted them a lot, so no real need to act

[Cununculus]

Natural seconds might grow into benevolent firsts, leaving room for feedback, a sense of unity and representation if they handle it right.

Mercy is looking for guidelines which are neither too loose like Jonas´, nor to strict like Braxton´s.

See seeks guidance from the Church, she doesn´t seek their rule.

If Mother comes allong her religious side shall grow more extreme.

But without it might be acceptable.

Maybe the difference between closing the Promised Land and closing every single establishment alltogether.

[khargal]

Publicado originalmente por Cununculus:

Maybe the difference between closing the Promised Land and closing every single establishment alltogether.

Considering the quality of products there, I am all in for closing all of them except Boone's and Whiskey Jack

[Cununculus]

Publicado originalmente por khargal:

Publicado originalmente por Cununculus:

Maybe the difference between closing the Promised Land and closing every single establishment alltogether.

Considering the quality of products there, I am all in for closing all of them except Boone's and Whiskey Jack

Michael Foody definitely agrees ;-)