Stanton's speech check is to hard

[Abunija]

So I have +5 starting disposition and done almost ever speech check I can in the game. but I did not tag any speech skills. However I think it is pretty unreasonable that I would start with +5 disposition and I cant convince him to help.

[SpiffyGonzales]

Originally posted by Abunija:

So I have +5 starting disposition and done almost ever speech check I can in the game. but I did not tag any speech skills. However I think it is pretty unreasonable that I would start with +5 disposition and I cant convince him to help.

If you have an intelligence implant you can overclock it at the one robot dude in the little maintenence area of the ship, i forget the name of it. it allows you to tag another skill.

[Elhoim]

Originally posted by Abunija:

So I have +5 starting disposition and done almost ever speech check I can in the game. but I did not tag any speech skills. However I think it is pretty unreasonable that I would start with +5 disposition and I cant convince him to help.

What your skill values? With 5 disposition you can fail checks at least twice, but depends a lot on the difference between check and skill value.

[Abunija]

Originally posted by Elhoim:

Originally posted by Abunija:

So I have +5 starting disposition and done almost ever speech check I can in the game. but I did not tag any speech skills. However I think it is pretty unreasonable that I would start with +5 disposition and I cant convince him to help.

What your skill values? With 5 disposition you can fail checks at least twice, but depends a lot on the difference between check and skill value.

My skill value is 5

[Mechalibur]

I think it's reasonable to fail one of the most difficult speech checks in the game if you didn't invest a tag into a single speech skill.

[Abunija]

But then what is the point of me focusing on gaining rep and Initial disposition. Its not like its was easy or on accident that I have a +5 which is the highest you can get. that required me to invest in that strategist. I am just saying there becomes no point in trying to increase starting disposition if you are going to fail regardless.


and Further more you are failing to a guy that you defeated an entire army for.

[SpiffyGonzales]

Originally posted by Abunija:

But then what is the point of me focusing on gaining rep and Initial disposition. Its not like its was easy or on accident that I have a +5 which is the highest you can get. that required me to invest in that strategist. I am just saying there becomes no point in trying to increase starting disposition if you are going to fail regardless.


and Further more you are failing to a guy that you defeated an entire army for.

I mean... idk man. aint all about disposition. you gotta actually work on the different types of speech and stuff

[grraf]

You know the irony of it all ?! if you just take out the black hand greed style(stealth for maximum profit no risks(stealth 7+ second wind got it done for me in this run) and let Bartholomew snatch Stanton's fort then you will simply have a broke&humble Stanton ready to get on board with any plan you dangle in front of him later on...

PS: a 6 in streetwise/persuasion is the most you can get(best i could get at least) without investing in a speech tag if you just focus mostly on combat&stealth but that is plenty for most things if played well especially if you hold in reserve the possibility of a datajack OC to drop a tag on after most combat has been dealt with...

[Abunija]

Originally posted by grraf:

You know the irony of it all ?! if you just take out the black hand greed style(stealth for maximum profit no risks(stealth 7+ second wind got it done for me in this run) and let Bartholomew snatch Stanton's fort then you will simply have a broke&humble Stanton ready to get on board with any plan you dangle in front of him later on...

PS: a 6 in streetwise/persuasion is the most you can get(best i could get at least) without investing in a speech tag if you just focus mostly on combat&stealth but that is plenty for most things if played well especially if you hold in reserve the possibility of a datajack OC to drop a tag on after most combat has been dealt with...

I have 5 in the skill and 5 starting disposition.

[TotallyNotEvilBean]

The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
So this is all I have to say

[Mechalibur]

Originally posted by Abunija:

But then what is the point of me focusing on gaining rep and Initial disposition. Its not like its was easy or on accident that I have a +5 which is the highest you can get. that required me to invest in that strategist. I am just saying there becomes no point in trying to increase starting disposition if you are going to fail regardless.


and Further more you are failing to a guy that you defeated an entire army for.

The point is you being able to beat all the other disposition challenges in the game with no investment in speech. You took a gamble on taking +initial disposition instead of any speech tags and it didn't pay off in this instance.

[Elhoim]

Originally posted by Mechalibur:

The point is you being able to beat all the other disposition challenges in the game with no investment in speech. You took a gamble on taking +initial disposition instead of any speech tags and it didn't pay off in this instance.

Yes. The main thing with going for high disposition and no tags is that you need to compensate with high skill usage, which would net a skill in the 7-8 range. A speech skill of 5 didn't see enough use (meaning going for speech solutions over combat ones).

In any case, the issue might not that Stanton is too high per se, but that several others before that are too low, and created an expectation that 5 speech was enough to do everything (so King Stanton appears as an outlier). Disposition is very useful, but it is meant to complement speech skills and tags, not fully overriding it. So you can go no tags, but need higher usage (or go for low usage and tags).

In any case, we'll take a look at the balance of this check and other ones.

[Abunija]

Originally posted by Elhoim:

Originally posted by Mechalibur:

The point is you being able to beat all the other disposition challenges in the game with no investment in speech. You took a gamble on taking +initial disposition instead of any speech tags and it didn't pay off in this instance.

Yes. The main thing with going for high disposition and no tags is that you need to compensate with high skill usage, which would net a skill in the 7-8 range. A speech skill of 5 didn't see enough use (meaning going for speech solutions over combat ones).

In any case, the issue might not that Stanton is too high per se, but that several others before that are too low, and created an expectation that 5 speech was enough to do everything (so King Stanton appears as an outlier). Disposition is very useful, but it is meant to complement speech skills and tags, not fully overriding it. So you can go no tags, but need higher usage (or go for low usage and tags).

In any case, we'll take a look at the balance of this check and other ones.

that makes sense to me. Ill change it in the next run.

[Abunija]

my only feed back is that I enjoyed be able to navigate through the game and if I selected the right options and took the right bonuses it would compensate for my lack of tagging that skill.

[Bill]

Originally posted by Elhoim:

Originally posted by Mechalibur:

The point is you being able to beat all the other disposition challenges in the game with no investment in speech. You took a gamble on taking +initial disposition instead of any speech tags and it didn't pay off in this instance.

Yes. The main thing with going for high disposition and no tags is that you need to compensate with high skill usage, which would net a skill in the 7-8 range. A speech skill of 5 didn't see enough use (meaning going for speech solutions over combat ones).

In any case, the issue might not that Stanton is too high per se, but that several others before that are too low, and created an expectation that 5 speech was enough to do everything (so King Stanton appears as an outlier). Disposition is very useful, but it is meant to complement speech skills and tags, not fully overriding it. So you can go no tags, but need higher usage (or go for low usage and tags).

In any case, we'll take a look at the balance of this check and other ones.

My perspective is that I am currently finishing a run just before the release with MC Mastermind who prioritised stealth -> talking -> fighting. With 4 charisma I've been able to pass ALL the checks. Stanton is a clear outlier, especially that I would have been able to pass it if I only had 300 more lp...