SPOILERS Likely-What does the ending mean?

[SpiderCenturion]

So her daughter says "aunt marie" on the phone...are we to assume that they reconciled their friendship? Seems weird that Kelsey would drive to the house to pick up the journal if she were already with Marie...can anyone explain this?

[the Coroner]

Originally posted by SpiderCenturion:

So her daughter says "aunt marie" on the phone...are we to assume that they reconciled their friendship? Seems weird that Kelsey would drive to the house to pick up the journal if she were already with Marie...can anyone explain this?

Well, that's unlikely to me if you read in Maries diary, at the very end (after Kelseys daughter called her to get out to the car) how disappointed she was because of Kelsey. On the other hand, as this is probably many years later (Kelseys DAUGHTER...) , they might want to make their Peace. The game leaves way more Questions than answers

Edit: typos

[Avalanche]

I hate endings with no clear outcome, it just makes me feel that they just didn't care, i mean leaving it up to our imaginations is not a good enough excuse and is just laziness.

I prefer proper endings that tell you EVERYTHING, unless there is a sequel or something being done, but if there is no sequel, then it ALL needs answering by the end, otherwise, why even bother. you know?

[wcc]

Originally posted by Lithari:

I hate endings with no clear outcome, it just makes me feel that they just didn't care, i mean leaving it up to our imaginations is not a good enough excuse and is just laziness.

I prefer proper endings that tell you EVERYTHING, unless there is a sequel or something being done, but if there is no sequel, then it ALL needs answering by the end, otherwise, why even bother. you know?

I fully disagree with you. It would have been lazy if there where severe plotholes or oversights. But that's not the case. I like it when not every little detail is spelled out until it becomes shallow for the audience. So it comes down to a matter of taste.

[the Coroner]

Originally posted by wcc:

Originally posted by Lithari:

I hate endings with no clear outcome, it just makes me feel that they just didn't care, i mean leaving it up to our imaginations is not a good enough excuse and is just laziness.

I prefer proper endings that tell you EVERYTHING, unless there is a sequel or something being done, but if there is no sequel, then it ALL needs answering by the end, otherwise, why even bother. you know?

I fully disagree with you. It would have been lazy if there where severe plotholes or oversights. But that's not the case. I like it when not every little detail is spelled out until it becomes shallow for the audience. So it comes down to a matter of taste.

true, it leaves more room for imagination or for follow-ups

[Krempi]

Originally posted by wcc:

Originally posted by Lithari:

I hate endings with no clear outcome, it just makes me feel that they just didn't care, i mean leaving it up to our imaginations is not a good enough excuse and is just laziness.

I prefer proper endings that tell you EVERYTHING, unless there is a sequel or something being done, but if there is no sequel, then it ALL needs answering by the end, otherwise, why even bother. you know?

I fully disagree with you. It would have been lazy if there where severe plotholes or oversights. But that's not the case. I like it when not every little detail is spelled out until it becomes shallow for the audience. So it comes down to a matter of taste.

I agree. Some what ifs or situations you've to piece together can make a story much better.

Like Kelsey saying that she wasn't the one who hit Marie on the head. But when you click on the pillow she states: "I don't dream. I make plans. What I didn't tell her is that I wouldn't let anyone mess with those plans." The tone in which she said it and the fact that she was there with him makes me believe that she lied about it. For that day her plan was to rob that house and being seen messed up that plan.

To answer OPs question: if I remember correctly Kelsey mentions something about freezing while looking for Marie or something. That coupled with the postcard leads me to believe that this Aunt Marie is indeed the Marie from the story. The last entry in the journal was written after the whole incident and probably in case Kelsey tried to reach out to her back then. Maybe they wanted to get the journal to go through some of the good memories or talk about it again.
Another point that makes me believe that it is the Marie from the story is that Kelsey went into the house by herself and I doubt that she still has the keys after the whole ordeal. Mr. Torres surely wanted them back.

Though I could be completely wrong or missed something. So feel free to correct me.

[the Coroner]

Originally posted by Krempi:

I agree. Some what ifs or situations you've to piece together can make a story much better.

Like Kelsey saying that she wasn't the one who hit Marie on the head. But when you click on the pillow she states: "I don't dream. I make plans. What I didn't tell her is that I wouldn't let anyone mess with those plans." The tone in which she said it and the fact that she was there with him makes me believe that she lied about it. For that day her plan was to rob that house and being seen messed up that plan.

To answer OPs question: if I remember correctly Kelsey mentions something about freezing while looking for Marie or something. That coupled with the postcard leads me to believe that this Aunt Marie is indeed the Marie from the story. The last entry in the journal was written after the whole incident and probably in case Kelsey tried to reach out to her back then. Maybe they wanted to get the journal to go through some of the good memories or talk about it again.
Another point that makes me believe that it is the Marie from the story is that Kelsey went into the house by herself and I doubt that she still has the keys after the whole ordeal. Mr. Trevor surely wanted them back.

Though I could be completely wrong or missed something. So feel free to correct me.

No need to correct, this view is plausible imho except i guess / hope you meant Mr. Torres who wanted the keys back, not Trevor ;-)

[Krempi]

Originally posted by the Coroner:

Originally posted by Krempi:

I agree. Some what ifs or situations you've to piece together can make a story much better.

Like Kelsey saying that she wasn't the one who hit Marie on the head. But when you click on the pillow she states: "I don't dream. I make plans. What I didn't tell her is that I wouldn't let anyone mess with those plans." The tone in which she said it and the fact that she was there with him makes me believe that she lied about it. For that day her plan was to rob that house and being seen messed up that plan.

To answer OPs question: if I remember correctly Kelsey mentions something about freezing while looking for Marie or something. That coupled with the postcard leads me to believe that this Aunt Marie is indeed the Marie from the story. The last entry in the journal was written after the whole incident and probably in case Kelsey tried to reach out to her back then. Maybe they wanted to get the journal to go through some of the good memories or talk about it again.
Another point that makes me believe that it is the Marie from the story is that Kelsey went into the house by herself and I doubt that she still has the keys after the whole ordeal. Mr. Trevor surely wanted them back.

Though I could be completely wrong or missed something. So feel free to correct me.

No need to correct, this view is plausible imho except i guess / hope you meant Mr. Torres who wanted the keys back, not Trevor ;-)

Oh, you're right. Fixed that and thank you. :D

[wcc]

Originally posted by Krempi:

Like Kelsey saying that she wasn't the one who hit Marie on the head. But when you click on the pillow she states: "I don't dream. I make plans. What I didn't tell her is that I wouldn't let anyone mess with those plans." The tone in which she said it and the fact that she was there with him makes me believe that she lied about it. For that day her plan was to rob that house and being seen messed up that plan.

Well, that case it did not appear very ambiguous to me. if I recall correctly she just said something like "I did not BASH your head with it", like "I was merely touching your head, but oops!"

[Kaiju]

To me it meant that they somehow talked again and reconciled, probably right after Marie ended her therapy since the daughter, who is about 13-14 YO form the sound of her voice, has the confidence in calling Marie "her aunt", meaning that the families are very close.
However, the fact that they're at that old house just to get a journal should mean something important. Like what are they gonna do after Kelsey leaves the house? Casually go get McDonald's and chill at the living room while they read it?

[the Coroner]

Originally posted by Noodle Führer:

To me it meant that they somehow talked again and reconciled, probably right after Marie ended her therapy since the daughter, who is about 13-14 YO form the sound of her voice, has the confidence in calling Marie "her aunt", meaning that the families are very close.
However, the fact that they're at that old house just to get a journal should mean something important. Like what are they gonna do after Kelsey leaves the house? Casually go get McDonald's and chill at the living room while they read it?

"Marie ended her Therapy" - where did i miss this point that Marie did or does a Therapy? No, it's not that i thought that would't make sense; it is a good decision to get professional help after such a traumatic incident, i just don't remember a hint in the game having Marie done anything like that.
Guessing the age just on a voice in a call - that does not work imho.

[FL]

I think the possible timeline is like this,

1. Kelsey went back to the room after some years from the shot for the first time and read the postcard and knew that Marie was in Vancouver. (Not the ending part we played)

2. Then Kelsey went to Vancouver to find Marie and reconciled with her.

3. Marie decided to get the journal back or Kelsey's daughter really wants to know what happened between her mom and aunt Marie (Her daughter seems really care about the journal) .

4. Kelsey go through her memory journey when she gets into the room again (what we played in the game).



One more thing I curious about is, did Keylse and Marie get caught after the shot? Maybe they reconciled after some prison years. Guess I will never get the answer anyway.

[Ellaliini]

What really bothers me the most is that apparently Marie didn't tell the police that she killed someone.

Otherwise I just assumed that as they grew older, at some point Kelsey contacted Marie to talk about it and they became close.

Their friendship didn't really seem like a real friendship based on the diary and what Kelsey tells us -- it was a typical case of teenagers learning about friendships, sometimes ending up with people due to circumstances and being lonely and having specific needs rather than truly hitting it off with someone. It sounds like Kelsey was a reluctant friend and Marie was a lonely person who possibly had a crush on Kelsey. Both felt some kind of pull towards the other person but their backgrounds and circumstances and emotional immaturity prevented them from being real friends. Then as they grew up, they became closer through this shared secret, perhaps first out of fear that the other person would tell the police, but especially if Marie got children as well, they could have bonded as mothers.

It's very intriguing to imagine what their friendship was like and what it might be like in the present. Perhaps both are still somewhat lonely and don't have many friends, in part because they feel like outsiders because of what they did and what they're hiding from the public.

[Jabroni Binyot]

Honestly feel some of you guys are over thinking it a bit too much. :)

My personal take is ; that Kelsey definately came after Marie. there is a road map somewhere that reads "Kelsey guilt trip" something along those lines, I should have taken a screenshot. I also feel like there is a romantic interest between the two as Marie noted I think multiple times how pretty Kelsey was? But might be looking too much into that. Maybe Kelsey got pregnant with Trevor's baby, and that is the kid who calls her. Marie is referred to as aunt, because it would be confusing to have two moms? But this is a stretch.

My main issue with the ending was how much of a stretch it was that they shot Trevor. Disclaimer : I havent killed anyone.

But i sure as hell wouldnt cry over it when clearly this trevor person was unstable, stalking her, taking pictures of her, and physically abusing Kelsey, than admitting to stabbing her dad, and possibly even killed someone before as well in another robbery, ofcourse marie didnt know this. And even Kelsey still doubts he did it. But I feel like he actually did. He was a trash person, who literally broke into their house TWICE. And they make a big deal out of shooting him? Maybe im the only person having a problem with this.

Glad there is a topic about the ending and we can have a nice discussion aboot it. :D

[Chazz the Elder]

Overthinking or not, there is definitely a lot to think about in the ending.

One small thing: Someone above suggested that the poilce had not been called following Trevor's death. I disagree; there was some mention in the aftermath of the shot about how Marie had not been held to blame, which suggests some sort of official involvement. I suspect that the authorities had been called in, had confiscated her illegal pistol, and had said that as Trevor was a burglar who was threatening them with a knife (also confiscated) Marie was justified in using deadly force.

As far as Jabroni Binyot's comments, true, Trevor was a twice-over burglar, and at least twice attempted murderer, and as such was a waste of space. However, even when someone is actively threatening you, as Trevor was Marie and Kelsey, there remains a definite psychic impact. He was alive, and I did a thing and directly because of that he is now dead, and he can never be alive again. It does have an effect, over and above the stress-related trauma of being invaded and threatened. And the fact that "he deserved it," which is always arguable though in this case not very much, has little effect on that trauma, which can, and in many cases does, require therapy to resolve. PTSD is a thing.

And yes, one of the things you can examine is a map, marked Kelsey's Guilt Trip, showing a route going from California up to Vancouver, with a comment that Kelsey nearly froze on that trip. I think you find it in Marie's room either before you pick up the journal, or after the story is complete, looking around Marie's Room in the current time, rather than in memory.

[Rue]

There's a postcard in Marie's room (present time) that was sent to Kelsey from Vancouver. It was a drawing and Kelsey knew it was from Marie. That's how she knew where to find her and then she made the trip to see her as you gather from looking at the map. Assuming they reconciled and are close friends now. It seems they've worked through it and are ready to look through and maybe even get rid of the journal. Marie obviously still doesn't want to go in the room where the murder happened which is why Kelsey goes. The mystery the whole time was who died. It was an interesting short story!