Marie's Room

Marie's Room

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Azurys/Zelle 2018 年 4 月 14 日 上午 11:28
Why did she do it? (Spoilers)
The game was nice and had great LiS vibes but the storytelling seemed a little rush to me.
What does the ending mean? Mary moved to Canada, Kesley followed her and Mary forgave her? Why does she would want the journal, now? How did they hide the body

Yeah, storytelling and detective fan here, sorry for the annoying questions, I like to have answers. ^^
最后由 Azurys/Zelle 编辑于; 2018 年 4 月 21 日 上午 3:27
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the Coroner 2018 年 4 月 18 日 上午 10:58 
引用自 CZBGR Icepick
I don't think Kelsey was there to rob the place. I believe it was Trevor who was.
they (Kelsey & Trevor) were a couple, i don't see another reason for them to be at this place together, so Kelsey might have been naive, but i don't think she didn't have any clue about Trevors intentions.
i'm not sure at what point in time the fights between Trevor and Marie had started, but that's quite a subject for me. i might have to play once again to see if i can find more informations about the time sequence

引用自 CZBGR Icepick
But then since Trevor now knows where Marie lives, Kelsey and Marie may be vulnerable (in reference to the orange peels, which is all over the game), she realizes they slipped up when they thought were being careful. So, Trevor had the opportunity to add confrontation to his to do list, possibly to murder the girls. Because, he's a sick puppy.
this part should be written in the past tense as Kelsey shot Trevor in the end. When Kelsey woke up from her daydream it was her daughter on the cell phone who asked her to get out to the car as marie would start to smoke in her car otherway. so there must be a huge timegap in between this backflash/ her memories when she came back to this place (maries room) and the time this incident with Trevor had happened.

引用自 CZBGR Icepick
So, Kelsey wanted to defend Marie.
i doubt that, it's not clear enough what's been the reason to go to this place with Trevor.
i don't claim that you're wrong and i'm right, i just see this from another angle.
A sequel could clarify this matter, and i really hope there's gonna be a follow-up.

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引用自 BreakTheGame
put a spoiler tag ffs
Spoiler is in the title. This isn't LIS.
agreed!

complete o/t:
shouldn't it be namend "Maries room" instead of "Marie's room"?

edits:
additions and lotsa typos

最后由 the Coroner 编辑于; 2018 年 4 月 18 日 上午 11:11
CZBGR Icepick 2018 年 4 月 18 日 上午 11:26 
引用自 the Coroner
they (Kelsey & Trevor) were a couple, i don't see another reason for them to be at this place together, so Kelsey might have been naive, but i don't think she didn't have any clue about Trevors intentions.
They were a couple. What you're saying doesn't make logical sense.

After the incident which involved the ripped shirt and one of Marie's friends, Ben, rescued her, she broke it off with him. That led to her not answering his calls, and reporting him to the principal. He got pissed off. She said that at the night that she and Marie snuck off to the swimming pool while the neighbor was not home, she suspected someone else was watching. Stalking them. I'm pretty sure she clearly said she was sure he never knew where they lived whole time were dating. There would be no other way he would know unless he followed them that night.

He was robbing the place. The girls would have just caught him in the act, so then it became convenient to serve his revenge.

引用自 the Coroner
this part should be written in the past tense as Kelsey shot Trevor in the end, so when kelsey woke up from her daydream it was her daughter who asked her to get out to the car as marie would start to smoke in her car otherway. so there must be a huge timegap in between this backflashr and the time this had happened.
I was answering the OP's question. Not talking about flashbacks. The scope of the question was why she killed him. He was about to possibly kill them.

引用自 the Coroner
i doubt that, it's not clear enough what's been the reason to go to this place with trevor.
i don't claim that you're wrong and i'm right, i just see this from another angle.
A sequel could clarify this matter, and i really hope there's gonna be a follow-up.
She wouldn't have gone with him. She was trying to avoid him as much as she could after the break up and because of the stalking. So it became clear that he was there to take revenge. That's why he had the knife.
the Coroner 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 7:49 
引用自 CZBGR Icepick
引用自 the Coroner
they (Kelsey & Trevor) were a couple, i don't see another reason for them to be at this place together, so Kelsey might have been naive, but i don't think she didn't have any clue about Trevors intentions.
They were a couple. What you're saying doesn't make logical sense.

After the incident which involved the ripped shirt and one of Marie's friends, Ben, rescued her, she broke it off with him. That led to her not answering his calls, and reporting him to the principal. He got pissed off. She said that at the night that she and Marie snuck off to the swimming pool while the neighbor was not home, she suspected someone else was watching. Stalking them. I'm pretty sure she clearly said she was sure he never knew where they lived whole time were dating. There would be no other way he would know unless he followed them that night.

He was robbing the place. The girls would have just caught him in the act, so then it became convenient to serve his revenge.

i think we're talking about two different incidents. The first was the attack on Marie and her father, who was seriously injured. Also Marie was injured - by Kelsey.
That the attacker was Trevor, supported by Kelsey, came out much later, both of them were masked. At that time Trevor and Kelsey were (still) a couple, that's the issue that I was referring to.
The second incident was some time Kelsey had left Trevor and he wanted revenge for that and attacked Marie and Kelsey at Marie's home. So we have talked about different incidents and correspondingly different situations.

Conclusion: between those two incidents, Marie THOUGHT that Trevor doesn't know where she lives but in fact he already did know that because Kelsey lead him there before what ended in the first attack against Marie and her Dad. Tell me if and where i'm wrong,
will play it once again in the next few weeks anyway and will be more attentative on these Details.
最后由 the Coroner 编辑于; 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 7:56
CZBGR Icepick 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 7:55 
引用自 the Coroner
i think we're talking about two different incidents. The first was the attack on Marie and her father, who was seriously injured. That the attacker was Trevor, supported by Kelsey, came out much later. At that time Trevor and Kelsey were a couple, that's what I was referring to.
The second incident was when Trevor, after Kelsey had left him, attacked Marie and Kelsey at Marie's home. So we have talked about different incidents and correspondingly different situations.
I'm pretty sure they weren't separate incidents.
the Coroner 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 7:56 
引用自 CZBGR Icepick
引用自 the Coroner
i think we're talking about two different incidents. The first was the attack on Marie and her father, who was seriously injured. That the attacker was Trevor, supported by Kelsey, came out much later. At that time Trevor and Kelsey were a couple, that's what I was referring to.
The second incident was when Trevor, after Kelsey had left him, attacked Marie and Kelsey at Marie's home. So we have talked about different incidents and correspondingly different situations.
I'm pretty sure they weren't separate incidents.
i'm pretty sure they were because different situtation and different point in time.
And the second one ended with marie shooting trevor, if i got this right. in this second one, maries father hasn't been involved and Trevor hasn't been considered to be masked

anyways, as written above, i'll play it once again to look for more details ;-)

Edit: typos
最后由 the Coroner 编辑于; 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 7:59
CZBGR Icepick 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 8:43 
引用自 the Coroner
i'm pretty sure they were because different situtation and different point in time.
And the second one ended with marie shooting trevor, if i got this right. in this second one, maries father hasn't been involved and Trevor hasn't been considered to be masked

anyways, as written above, i'll play it once again to look for more details ;-)

Edit: typos
Once again, this would never make sense. When they were dating before, she didn't know he was robbing people's houses, and he never knew where she and Marie lived. She said that, then also said she was trying to get away from him after they broke up when she realized how abusive he was. So she was never with him to rob the house because she didn't know he was doing it. So they caught him when he learned where Marie lived when they weren't careful enough after a night of swimming.

Marie was whacked in the head, do Trevor claimed that it was Kelsey who did it to throw her under the bus to act like she betrayed Marie (he was trying to make it a conspiracy to say that Kelsey betrayed her). Since he attacked Marie, she tried to fight back against him, and that's when he was shot to death.
the Coroner 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 9:09 
引用自 CZBGR Icepick
引用自 the Coroner
i'm pretty sure they were because different situtation and different point in time.
And the second one ended with marie shooting trevor, if i got this right. in this second one, maries father hasn't been involved and Trevor hasn't been considered to be masked

anyways, as written above, i'll play it once again to look for more details ;-)

Edit: typos
Once again, this would never make sense. When they were dating before, she didn't know he was robbing people's houses, and he never knew where she and Marie lived. She said that, then also said she was trying to get away from him after they broke up when she realized how abusive he was. So she was never with him to rob the house because she didn't know he was doing it. So they caught him when he learned where Marie lived when they weren't careful enough after a night of swimming.

Marie was whacked in the head, do Trevor claimed that it was Kelsey who did it to throw her under the bus to act like she betrayed Marie (he was trying to make it a conspiracy to say that Kelsey betrayed her). Since he attacked Marie, she tried to fight back against him, and that's when he was shot to death.
i might have gotten it false and you might be right, but still i don't agree to that until i played it once again to be sure as it doesn't match to what what i remember to have read/seen/heard so far.
CZBGR Icepick 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 9:24 
引用自 the Coroner
引用自 CZBGR Icepick
Once again, this would never make sense. When they were dating before, she didn't know he was robbing people's houses, and he never knew where she and Marie lived. She said that, then also said she was trying to get away from him after they broke up when she realized how abusive he was. So she was never with him to rob the house because she didn't know he was doing it. So they caught him when he learned where Marie lived when they weren't careful enough after a night of swimming.

Marie was whacked in the head, do Trevor claimed that it was Kelsey who did it to throw her under the bus to act like she betrayed Marie (he was trying to make it a conspiracy to say that Kelsey betrayed her). Since he attacked Marie, she tried to fight back against him, and that's when he was shot to death.
i might have gotten it false and you might be right, but still i don't agree to that until i played it once again to be sure as it doesn't match to what what i remember to have read/seen/heard so far.
In Marie's journal, she resented Trevor. She didn't like the fact Trevor was showering her with money like a creep when Kelsey was dating him. When Kelsey looks at her phone, she had wondered how he got all that money in the first place, and after the shirt incident, she was glad she broke up with him. When Kelsey looks at the orange peels on the bed, she reminisced the fact that she loved eating them, but got sick in the stomach as she realized that the orange peels she saw near the swimming pool meant that they were not alone that night. She also says that she was sure it was him, and that he followed them to Marie's house that time. This happened after she had already broken up with him, supported by the fact he was angry at Kelsey and that she reported him.

So, this made a perfect cover for Trevor to make it looked like Kelsey betrayed Marie for risking their safety when Trevor found out where she lived. That's why he made the comment when he tried to bust up Marie so that Marie would believe that Kelsey turned on her. Kelsey tried to fight back against Trevor, which then distracted him.
the Coroner 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 9:33 
引用自 CZBGR Icepick
引用自 the Coroner
i might have gotten it false and you might be right, but still i don't agree to that until i played it once again to be sure as it doesn't match to what what i remember to have read/seen/heard so far.
In Marie's journal, she resented Trevor. She didn't like the fact Trevor was showering her with money like a creep when Kelsey was dating him. When Kelsey looks at her phone, she had wondered how he got all that money in the first place, and after the shirt incident, she was glad she broke up with him. When Kelsey looks at the orange peels on the bed, she reminisced the fact that she loved eating them, but got sick in the stomach as she realized that the orange peels she saw near the swimming pool meant that they were not alone that night. She also says that she was sure it was him, and that he followed them to Marie's house that time. This happened after she had already broken up with him, supported by the fact he was angry at Kelsey and that she reported him.

So, this made a perfect cover for Trevor to make it looked like Kelsey betrayed Marie for risking their safety when Trevor found out where she lived. That's why he made the comment when he tried to bust up Marie so that Marie would believe that Kelsey turned on her. Kelsey tried to fight back against Trevor, which then distracted him.
would sound plausible but i miss Maries father, Mr. Torres in that Scenery. didn't the Journal print that the Torres were attacked by two masked persons, and Mr. Torres was injured heavily? nothing there that trevor had been shot by Marie then. And that is what makes me think that there's been two different incidents
最后由 the Coroner 编辑于; 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 9:34
CZBGR Icepick 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 9:37 
引用自 the Coroner
would sound plausible but i miss Maries father, Mr. Torres in that Scenery. didn't the Journal print that the Torres were attacked by two masked persons, and Mr. Torres was injured heavily? nothing there that trevor had been shot by Marie then.
From the newspaper article in the drawer, Torres and Marie were both injured. Kelsey doesn't say anything about causing that.
the Coroner 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 11:03 
引用自 CZBGR Icepick
引用自 the Coroner
would sound plausible but i miss Maries father, Mr. Torres in that Scenery. didn't the Journal print that the Torres were attacked by two masked persons, and Mr. Torres was injured heavily? nothing there that trevor had been shot by Marie then.
From the newspaper article in the drawer, Torres and Marie were both injured. Kelsey doesn't say anything about causing that.
and this article doesn't mention Trevor to be shot
CZBGR Icepick 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 11:08 
引用自 the Coroner
引用自 CZBGR Icepick
From the newspaper article in the drawer, Torres and Marie were both injured. Kelsey doesn't say anything about causing that.
and this article doesn't mention Trevor to be shot
You didn't read the article, just the headline.

The TV showed a missing man. Trevor.
the Coroner 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 11:22 
i'm playing it right now. According to her diary, the attack when both Torres where injured happened on the 22.12.17.
The LaLaLand-Thing was two months later, Trevor and Kelsey were still together then. March: Marie admires Kelseys sparkling shoes... this was a gift from Trevor. Kelsey and Trevor broke up on April 11 2018, that must be the time when Trevor begun to threaten Marie. She got the gun in June. End of June, there's been an attack in the neighbourhood.
So far it's clear to me that it's been two different incidents containing Trevor attacking Marie. Tell me if i misunderstood the diary so far.
最后由 the Coroner 编辑于; 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 11:23
CZBGR Icepick 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 11:24 
引用自 the Coroner
i'm playing it right now. According to her diary, the attack when both Torres where injured happened on the 22.12.17.
The LaLaLand-THing was two months later, Trever and Kelsey were still together then. March: Marie admires Kelseys sparkling shoes... this was a gift from Trevor. Kelsey and Trevor broke up on April 11 2018, that must be the time when Trevor begun to threaten Marie. She got the gun in June. End of June, there's been an attack in the neighbourhood.
So far it's clear to me that it's been two different incidents containing Trevor attacking Marie. Tell me if i misunderstood the diary so far.
But Trevor doesn't attack Marie twice. How could he do that one the first time if he didnt know where she lived in the first place? He wouldn't need to stalk anyone, and certainly didn't take Kelsey with him.
the Coroner 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 11:32 
引用自 CZBGR Icepick
引用自 the Coroner
i'm playing it right now. According to her diary, the attack when both Torres where injured happened on the 22.12.17.
The LaLaLand-THing was two months later, Trever and Kelsey were still together then. March: Marie admires Kelseys sparkling shoes... this was a gift from Trevor. Kelsey and Trevor broke up on April 11 2018, that must be the time when Trevor begun to threaten Marie. She got the gun in June. End of June, there's been an attack in the neighbourhood.
So far it's clear to me that it's been two different incidents containing Trevor attacking Marie. Tell me if i misunderstood the diary so far.
But Trevor doesn't attack Marie twice. How could he do that one the first time if he didnt know where she lived in the first place? He wouldn't need to stalk anyone, and certainly didn't take Kelsey with him.
Trevor was a robber in first line, wasn't he? this first attack wasn't adressed to Marie specifically, it was just Trevor doing his "business", i guess..
as said, i'm playing it now, the key to all is the finishing sequence where Kelsey tells that SHE had been the second person in this attack, she'd beaten Marie at that time if i got that right, to save Trevor. At that time, they haven't been even friends if you read Maries diary. Trevor and Kelsey had been masked. Maybe my memories are partly wrong, that's why i'm playing it again
最后由 the Coroner 编辑于; 2018 年 4 月 19 日 上午 11:33
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