Question about Ren ( might contain spoilers)

[Exrial]

Hey everyone I recently got into Dies irae and was wondering how OP is the main character in the Masadaverse. And does he turn into a villian cause I've seen pictures of him looking evil

[Rindou]

Well Ren... with "Also Sprach Zarathustra" is really OP, and with "Eine Faust Finale" too.
He just breaks the already broken logic of Dies Irae, and also gets his own legion. He's broken enough to be turned into a Hadou God known as Yato (Mugen) along Reinhard (Shurado), Marie (Rinne-Tensei) and Mercurius (Eigo-Kaiki).

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However, he's still weaker than Hajun.

[Mr. Manual]

You know, there are proper spoiler tags to use. you just type in "spoiler" in brackets to begin, and then /spoiler in brackets to end it.

[f-sh96]

If you take KKK into consider Ren is the second strongest characters in all of madaverse although tbh Hajun's power is more of cheating than anything else

So under normal condition Ren\yato is the storngest character

[Exrial]

thanks for the repliys guys and does he turn evil? and I will let people know in titlte there are spoilers.

[Exrial]

Originally posted by f-sh96:

If you take KKK into consider Ren is the second strongest characters in all of madaverse although tbh Hajun's power is more of cheating than anything else

So under normal condition Ren\yato is the storngest character

I see. I tried looking up information on Hajun but couldn't find any. What makes him so broken and is he a villian? Also Does Ren turn into a villian?

[f-sh96]

You can literary write hajun on google and you will have several pages talk about him

Anyway basic idea : each hadou god have a "Taikyoku" that is the source of their power , the power of the hadou god depend on the count of how many "Taikyoku" he\she have so the more count you have the stronger you are , just one Taikyoku cal allow you wipe all of existence

Now hajun happend to have a "tumor" that allow him to raise his count to "infinity" making him leaps and bounds above any god, above all that he have access to all the gods power that set on the throne so he can use them all , you can literally have all the gods of the universe ganged on him and he will wipe them out with his fingers

Yes Hajun is villian

Ren is never villian but he's sorta of anti-hero in KKK , although KKK itself isn't canon

[Morthra]

Originally posted by Exrial:

Originally posted by f-sh96:

If you take KKK into consider Ren is the second strongest characters in all of madaverse although tbh Hajun's power is more of cheating than anything else

So under normal condition Ren\yato is the storngest character

I see. I tried looking up information on Hajun but couldn't find any. What makes him so broken and is he a villian? Also Does Ren turn into a villian?

Basically Hajun is so strong that Ren, who in KKK is the second strongest character in the entire Masadaverse, might as well be a mortal compared to Hajun, who oneshotted Mercurius, Reinhard and Marie.

[f-sh96]

Well Hajun is like god among gods however he isn't unbeatable he have tons of weak points and if Ren by the time of KKK had marie on his side he may had beat Hajun

[erneiz]

Hajun doesn't have tons of weak points. His only weakness is just one small thing. He is invincible against everything else. The only reason Marie can help beat Hajun is because she is able to detect that weakness and neutralize it, bringing Hajun's power level from literal infinity down to a more manageable level. Even then in the canon where they won, pretty much everyone still gets killed and Mercurius lived just long enough to emanate Eternal Recurrence again.

[f-sh96]

He's super arrogant and very self centered to even notice Ren who was fighting him for 8,000+ years, if he just killed Ren he would have avoided everything happend in KKK

When he absorb too much souls he got weaker and can't use the "i am always higher than you " thing thus limiting his power

As long you have marie or habaki on your side you can pretty much screw hajun he will just be Regular hadou god, of course not saying he's weak without his tumor he's still the strongest hadou god "sans Yato because it's unknown" i just said he's beatable because of reasons above

Hajun is pain in the ass either way

[Exrial]

I was curious as I'm still on the common route when does Ren get his Sprach Zarathustra form and Eine Faust Finale too.. Like which routes and chapters?