D&D Lords of Waterdeep

D&D Lords of Waterdeep

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How do you beat this AI? :)
My gawd I've never lost so many games in my computer life in a row to an AI.

I usually play with one simple, one medium and one hard. Last game I beat the medium and hard ones and lost to the SIMPLE one!!! what gives? lol Sneaky lil bassturds wait till the last rounds and play a shtload of quests and just blow by me in points. Plus the game animation moves so fast I can't tell if they are "CHEATING" or not. lol No, I don't think they are cheating they just get all the good stuff before I have a chance to play and if I don't take the "go first" feature they crush me. I see why you have that extra agent card now. lol The human player needs it so he can go first all the time. :)

I do all the right things like the harbor for the extra piece ability while getting to play an intrigue card and collecting the cards that give you extra plays and buying the buildings that give you a lot of VP's and I still can't win.

lol I love this AI really. Best one I think I've ever seen next to chess AI's. It reminds me of my friend Paul who used to beat me at chess like a drum every fricking game until one day I finaly won. Once! lol he said he let me win. lol Will this AI ever do that? It would be a kewl implementation if it put up some popup window that said "I let you win".
Last edited by X-the Unknown; Sep 5, 2017 @ 7:22pm
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Qfasa Sep 6, 2017 @ 2:04am 
I only do quests that give me a bonus at the end of the game. And I do a lot of them.

Always trying to have as low corruption as possible at the end of the game. Doesn't mean I don't take it – I just always look for a way to reduce it. And if I see that I can't reduce it because there are no buildings and/or cards in my hand for that, then I'll avoid of getting any corruption. By the way, I think this is one of the weaknesses of AI – I've seen more than once how bots take corruption like it has no consequences, and then lose at the end after losing something like 40 points from the corruption.

Often start with getting 4 coins and buy a building or two, especially if their usage by anyone will give me something that will help me with my own goals. Bots really love to use buildings and it pays off really well.

If I'm not the first or the second player to act, I'll use one of the agents to become first. Being third or fourth is a huge disadvantage, especially later in the game.

Don't bother to interfere with the AI plans with the rare exception when I need to take a cube from an opponent – then I look at everyone to check where I can hit harder. But mostly I do my own stuff and won't spend a turn in an attempt to ruin someone else's plan if instead I can progress with my own quests.

That's it, I think. I have played one 6-player session – boy, this was a mistake to do it as my first session ever after the tutorial – I didn't understand a thing and was destroyed against medium AI. Then I started to play 4-player sessions, first against all medium AI, then against all hard. I've won 8 sessions out of 10 and now I've switched onto multiplayer because I think that this game would be way more fun against real players. Bots aren't bad, but the level of emotions is not the same when I play against them. Not really impactful for me to win (or lose) against a few lines of code.
hairyscotsman Sep 7, 2017 @ 9:06am 
The AI is terrible at doing quests for it's lord bonus. Try to make almost all yours match your lord.
Try to do plot quests early on that match your lord, the type that give an appropriate bonus (2 orange for every warfare quest you pick up etc).
Buildings also help.
First 2 rounds I spend a few turns just trying to get plot quests and/or buildings.
X-the Unknown Sep 7, 2017 @ 9:13am 
I wasn't really asking How; it was more of an appreciation for the AI. :) Plus, I've seen this AI play very well on both buying buildings and the quests for it's lord. It must be some kind of randomness on what it decides to do based on fuzzy logic. When it completes 7 or more of it's lords quest I wouldn't call that poor play. Also, I prefer waiting till the buildings are 4 and 5 VP;s or more to get the best value out of them.
pasa Sep 7, 2017 @ 4:45pm 
I just started, played 3-4 games, never lost. The AI has some actual intelligence, id goes after all kinds of good stuff, runs to complete quests it has. However it is not tuned to go attack the human player (i.e the mandatory quests all hot handed out to other AIs), and seems especially weak to work on quest bonuses. Be it from WL or plot quests. I'm not sure it considers the other plot bonuses either.

Most games were pretty close on the initial points, but I gained way more from WL (like 10-12 vs. 3-5).

In short, you win if you play sensibly and exploit whatever advantage is possible on the actual board.
devxx Sep 7, 2017 @ 5:00pm 
The AI is terrible at doing quests for it's lord bonus
maybe in your experience but not mine. like someone else said "I only do quests that give me a bonus at the end of the game. And I do a lot of them" but the AI more times than not beats me in points in this catagory.
X-the Unknown Sep 7, 2017 @ 7:55pm 
Ha about the AI not giving you mandatory quests. I got two in a row from the AI. That's hardly not using thim against the human player. Just because you won 3 or 4 games in a row from it doesn't mean you're good or it's bad you just got LUCKY. Win 10 in a row with FIVE HARD AI's and let's see how well you do. :)
Ghostlight Sep 8, 2017 @ 3:18am 
I haven't lost to the AI yet. That's over about a dozen games. Drawn once. Generally playing with 2 opponents, both on max difficulty, with no expansions. One or two games were "long" games with one of the expansions and 3 AI opponents, all on hard.

And I have no experience with this game before this.

The AI seems decent, but it has some glaring problems. It rarely scores for its lord bonuses, whereas an average human will get 30+ points just for that. It also tends to finish the game with huge numbers of unused cubes (like over a dozen, quite often). That should never happen in this game; it should aggressively complete more quests and end up with fewer adventurers. It also seems to pick at random when an Intrigue card calls for it to pick another player to help. It has often given me just the cube I needed to complete a quest. Or it gives a mandatory quest to another player when I am in the lead by 30+ points.Little things like that that could easily be tweaked to make it rock solid.

Just some perspective.
Last edited by Ghostlight; Sep 8, 2017 @ 3:22am
X-the Unknown Sep 8, 2017 @ 3:41am 
Once again that's not FIVE HARD AI oppenents. They play a lot differently when there are FIVE HARD opponents. Personally I don't believe most of you since EVERYONE LIES and online even moreso. Too easy to SAY you did something; very hard to PROVE it. ;)
Ghostlight Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:01am 
I care not if you believe me or not.

Not only have I beaten the AI every game except the one draw, my victories against it were rather comprehensive. Not even close. I am at least 30 or 40 points clear of 2nd place in most games. Much more if I get the Builder lord :). In addition, I have never once entered the final scoring in anything other than 1st place in VP. Not once.

I dislike 5 players because you get so few agents. However, I find it difficult to believe that five Hard opponents is going to that much more of a challenge than two Hard opponents is. It's a different game with different priorities and expectations, that's all.

Finally, when did you pull 5 hard opponents out of your bag? Your OP states you usually play with 3 opponents, one hard, one middle one easy and are still stating you are being regularly beaten. Shrug. I was responding to that.
Last edited by Ghostlight; Sep 8, 2017 @ 6:06am
Calico Dec 2, 2021 @ 4:51pm 
For what it's worth I had 7 wins in a row against 2 medium AI's. I decided to play against a single medium AI for some reason, and have lost about 4 in a row. I don't know what the hell that means. Maybe the two AI's fuddle each others plans as much as mine? Either way you can set a clock by how often the AI will wipe the Inn, and gets a high value Quest.
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