Could you recommend this to a long time Trials fan?

[SkullByte]

With my experience of Trials HD, Evolution, and Fusion..would anyone recommend it to me? I've heard mixed opinions but not sure what audience this game is for really.

[Tyrian Mollusk]

Messaggio originale di Scruffy McGuffy:

People talking about grinding tracks for XP are doing it wrong. You get some XP for replaying a track, more depending on the track difficulty, but your main source of XP is contracts.

No, people talking about grinding are doing contracts, because anyone can see that's the only non-negligible source of XP. The contracts are a grind.

[BudduhSwagg]

This was one of the only games to play on my Nokia Lumia Windows OS PoS with a good camera.
Overall I remember thinking damn I love this game so much.
Now it is out for computer?? ♥♥♥♥ yea, much better than I could have ever imagined!

[Scruffy McGuffy]

Messaggio originale di Tyrion Mollusk:

No, people talking about grinding are doing contracts, because anyone can see that's the only non-negligible source of XP. The contracts are a grind.

Here are a couple of Contracts I did yesterday. One was the track Finnish Finn, Medium rated, which asked the player to complete it with a broken front wheel and an invisible bike, so you have to wheelie a lot but you can't see the bike. Another was the track Unhappy Camper, Medium rated, which asked the player to use the Squid and the bike was on fire, which also meant taking a different more challenging route due to the bike having less power, while still making a good time. That's not grind. That's playing the game.

I don't understand the whining of, "I bought the game but I have to play the game." Even if for some reason you hate all of the hundreds of Contracts, including freebies like "beat track with Helium/Donkey", it still doesn't take long to unlock all the content in the game and then you never need to touch them again.

[Abel G]

No disrespect, Scruffy McGruffy, but nothing you're saying carries any weight because by your own admission "you don't understand'.

For example: I like bread from bakery A, but not bakery B. You like bread from bakery B. You explain that I should like bread from B because it's bread. Further, you admit that you don't understand the complaint of,"I bought the bread but I have to eat the bread."

Do you see the problem? You prefer one type of play style, others prefer another. It's really as simple as that.

[Onion]

It reminds me of a trials evolution sequel

[[aTm] pickledmidget]

im a new player to trials so this is my first one. then i bought the others. im enjoying it so far.

so what are the Ninja tracks? just harder? something special?

[Scruffy McGuffy]

pickled, you can see them on YT. White Belt is the first. Ninja tracks vary in difficult from incredibly hard to WTF hard. They usually require bike handling skills that are rarely needed on the Extreme tracks or lower, if at all.

To play the RL Ninjas here, you'll need Gold on all 8 Extreme tracks, including Inferno V which is the hardest.

[Fazo]

Messaggio originale di aTm pickledmidget:

im a new player to trials so this is my first one. then i bought the others. im enjoying it so far.

so what are the Ninja tracks? just harder? something special?

its a community made up difficulty for tracks harder than extreme. starting with ninja level 1, level 2 etc.
in fusion some ppl were able to complete tracks as hard as ninja level 8.
the jump in difficulty between ninja level's is quite big and it will take you way longer to progress the higher you get.

in rising redlynx added ninja tracks to the career that go from ninja level 1 (white belt) to ninja level 6 (black belt).
keep in mind that inferno V is also a ninja level 1 even tho its in the extreme categorie.

[[aTm] pickledmidget]

damn, so i have a lot of work in my future! lol.

i have messed with some of the user tracks in track central and some of those are crazy.

they didnt have this type of stuff when i rode dirt bikes back in the 70's! lol

[Scruffy McGuffy]

pickled, here's the TV show and later a video game predecessor of the Trials franchise, back on the C64 in the mid 80's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zObFwxq8LB4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP4yJDGHZBc

And here's a real life Extreme track from this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20r9qigdeO4

[[aTm] pickledmidget]

Messaggio originale di Scruffy McGuffy:

pickled, here's the TV show and later a video game predecessor of the Trials franchise, back on the C64 in the mid 80's.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zObFwxq8LB4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AP4yJDGHZBc

And here's a real life Extreme track from this year.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20r9qigdeO4

nice!

i dont remember the game for C64.

i had that system and a TI 99 system.

i still have them laying around here someplace. i dont throw anything away

[Tyrian Mollusk]

Messaggio originale di Scruffy McGuffy:

Here are a couple of Contracts I did yesterday. One was the track Finnish Finn, Medium rated, which asked the player to complete it with a broken front wheel and an invisible bike, so you have to wheelie a lot but you can't see the bike. Another was the track Unhappy Camper, Medium rated, which asked the player to use the Squid and the bike was on fire, which also meant taking a different more challenging route due to the bike having less power, while still making a good time. That's not grind. That's playing the game.

Congratulations on picking two contracts that turn tracks into skill games instead of playing the normal game, but even there, needing to play the game in specific places in specific ways you are told to is most definitely part of why contracts are a grind. The other part is the many hours you spend doing things NOT because they are entertaining, because they are interesting, or even because they are the game you want to play, but rather because the devs told you you had to before you are allowed to enjoy the game. If I was only allowed to play skill games before I could play Trials tracks, that'd be a pretty serious problem and definitely qualify as grinding those out to play the game. The contracts are called a grind because you are constantly forced to stop playing the game you want to play and jump through many hours of hoops, because playing the game by the core established loop (get medals, get better medals) is by design useless as far as the progression system.

You can't play how you enjoy the game until you grind out the required playing how they tell you to play the game. It wouldn't be such a major complaint if it weren't so constantly intrusive and take so much time away from enjoying the game. You could play through an entire other game (or two) in the time you waste jumping through hoops to be allowed to progress in Rising. That's bad design.

I don't understand the whining of, "I bought the game but I have to play the game."

Then you aren't trying to, or you are being disingenuous. Maybe you should grind out some empathy and understanding instead of your more enjoyed hostility and condescension.

[Scruffy McGuffy]

Messaggio originale di Tyrian Mollusk:

It wouldn't be such a major complaint if it weren't so constantly intrusive and take so much time away from enjoying the game. You could play through an entire other game (or two) in the time you waste jumping through hoops to be allowed to progress in Rising.

Let's quantify it. That so-called "grind", i.e. playing some of the 425 contracts with 24 different modifiers and requirements spread over all of the tracks, is about 5 hours total? I have 60 hours in the game, and I'm still doing contracts among other things so it wasn't a grind for me, I was just playing the game. Even you grudgingly admitted some of them can be fun.

You said that 5 hours is enough time to play through two entire other games. Perhaps you were being disingenuous? I've said in this very topic and elsewhere they should have designed this better, and I've said they should have done away with XP and lootboxes completely and most peoples major complaints would be gone, but it's still not a big deal, nowhere near the big deal people make it out to be.

I clicked on your profile btw to see if you play other games with any grind. It shows you have 2,145 hours in Warframe, one of the biggest grindfests around, and here you are on this forum complaining repeatedly about a few hours playing contracts. Or you could play MP, the levels go by fast there too.

[Enzemo]

Messaggio originale di Scruffy McGuffy:

Messaggio originale di Tyrian Mollusk:

It wouldn't be such a major complaint if it weren't so constantly intrusive and take so much time away from enjoying the game. You could play through an entire other game (or two) in the time you waste jumping through hoops to be allowed to progress in Rising.

Let's quantify it. That so-called "grind", i.e. playing some of the 425 contracts with 24 different modifiers and requirements spread over all of the tracks, is about 5 hours total? I have 60 hours in the game, and I'm still doing contracts among other things so it wasn't a grind for me, I was just playing the game. Even you grudgingly admitted some of them can be fun.

You said that 5 hours is enough time to play through two entire other games. Perhaps you were being disingenuous? I've said in this very topic and elsewhere they should have designed this better, and I've said they should have done away with XP and lootboxes completely and most peoples major complaints would be gone, but it's still not a big deal, nowhere near the big deal people make it out to be.

I clicked on your profile btw to see if you play other games with any grind. It shows you have 2,145 hours in Warframe, one of the biggest grindfests around, and here you are on this forum complaining repeatedly about a few hours playing contracts. Or you could play MP, the levels go by fast there too.

To be honest, I think you're being disingenious. I have mostly platinum'd everything I've touched, I've finished all the stadiums and finales I've found, done all the red bull and the other lady contracts (The two that actually give decent XP) and still only in the mid 70s after 18 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hours of grinding. It's not a case of having to repeat things either, I'm doing it all mostly on the first try. The contracts are a terrible idea honestly, they force you to play the game exactly as they want you to in order to progress to the actually decent levels. So now not only are you stuck grinding out really easy tracks, because the contracts on the hards don't get you to extreme levels, you also have to play those easy tracks in a way that often isn't fun at all. Stuff like "Get 12 front flips, 12 backflips and wheelie for 10 metres" isn't objectively a difficult task, its just damn annoying and slow, not to mention extremely repetitive.

Also comparing the grind in Warframe to this is just plain stupid. It doesn't matter how much grind there is, what matters is how much fun that grind is, and how many options you have to tackle it.

[Scruffy McGuffy]

Messaggio originale di Enzemo:

To be honest, I think you're being disingenious. I have mostly platinum'd everything I've touched, I've finished all the stadiums and finales I've found, done all the red bull and the other lady contracts (The two that actually give decent XP) and still only in the mid 70s after 18 ♥♥♥♥ing hours of grinding.

That's interesting. There are 62 tracks to play (all the ones up to and including Hard) before the set of Extreme tracks unlocks, plus up to 40 stadium races, plus skill games, plus the University. It says here you've played the game for 18.5 hours and you say 18 hours of that was grinding, so you managed to get all those platinums, play all those dozens of tracks, beat the Stadiums and do all those other events too... in a mere 30 minutes? Wow. I think you're the one being disingenuous there.

Messaggio originale di Enzemo:

Also comparing the grind in Warframe to this is just plain stupid. It doesn't matter how much grind there is, what matters is how much fun that grind is, and how many options you have to tackle it.

You're saying that if you enjoy the gameplay then replaying it isn't a grind. In that case it makes zero sense to complain about it in Trials, unless you don't like the gameplay to begin with, in which case playing more to unlock more would be pointless.